2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Sieper wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 15:57
Alex is on track, agreed, and he will improve further. This year he is seeing many tracks for the first time. He has a considerable gap, lost every qualy to Max (the one win was where Max did not enter due to engine penalty, this also happened vice versa one more time) and his race pace is slower as well, almost as much as Gasly in fact. And I think he might have crashed more as Gasly as well already? I had higher expectations from Alex to be honoust (he was a karting crack) but nevertheless he is on track to claim the seat and is doing a good enough job imho.
I doubt Alex would've ended at Hungary 1lap behind Max. He at least have the balls to overtake and take risks, Gasly not.Time will tell, but if he keeps the seat for 2020, he will surprise more than one , I'm sure about it.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 19:20
Sieper wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 15:57
Alex is on track, agreed, and he will improve further. This year he is seeing many tracks for the first time. He has a considerable gap, lost every qualy to Max (the one win was where Max did not enter due to engine penalty, this also happened vice versa one more time) and his race pace is slower as well, almost as much as Gasly in fact.
I doubt Alex would've ended at Hungary 1lap behind Max. He at least have the balls to overtake and take risks, Gasly not.Time will tell, but if he keeps the seat for 2020, he will surprise more than one , I'm sure about it.
You forgot that he has already done what Gasly could never do; that is match Max's best lap in Q3. He was unlucky not to beat him.

People need to realise he isnt even getting the number 2 treatment. He was punching the hole for Max in quali, the thing that drove Riccardo to leave the team. They wont give him the best startegy in quali or race as their money is on Max and despite that he outscores Max whilst still learning the track.
Not much you can ask Alex other than what he has delivered already outscoring Max by double digit.
Hopefully he gats a podium or a win soon.

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there won't be huge damage giving the 2020 seat to Albon at the very least he will be a consistent 6th finisher and he may click to a strong wing man Bottas esque and he may fire at all cylinders threating LH and Max.
then in 2021 all options are open from pulling the plug to a free ricciardo and wide transfer market.
the real blow would be losing Max after next season for both RBR and Honda.
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Father Jos reviews the race in Mexico City in Ziggo Sport’s Peptalk.

Qualifying is first discussed, during which Max was initially able to grab pole: “We were really happy with the lap times he was able to drive”, says Jos. “We never expected that beforehand.”

Because Max didn’t back off during a yellow flag situation in the closing stages of Q3, the Dutchman eventually lost his front row position. How does the father of the seven-time Grand Prix-winner sees this? “Max said that he hadn’t seen the yellow flag but only Bottas’ car. He didn’t take his foot off the gas, and I actually can see his point. The drivers normally get informed by the team very quickly if an accident has happened and what you need or need not to do. That wasn’t the case now, so the question remains what do you do as a driver.”

“Apart from that, you have just done your best lap of the entire weekend and everybody wants to get pole. There was just one corner to go, so he kept his foot on the gas. However, he wasn’t the only one and that’s the single one thing that really bothered him.”
"This was another good learning experience for Max"

Father Verstappen was a little more critical of his son's performance at the press conference after the qualification. "I think Max might have kept his mouth shut for a while. This has been a good learning experience for Max. Next time he has to buy time for himself. With Max the heart is on his tongue and he says exactly what it is like , but apparently that is not always possible in top sport. "
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Race pace of México. Take a look who said Albon was 0,5 off the pace...

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Marko strikes again :mrgreen:
To a clarifying question about whether, in this case, all three - Elbon, Kvyat and Gasly - are candidates for a place in Red Bull Racing in 2020, Marco answered in the affirmative: "Yes, all of them."
Marko noted that his words about Kvyat were misunderstood: “I meant that we already know everything about Kvyat’s qualities. What we were not sure of was the ability of Elbon. That is what I meant. ”
https://ru.motorsport.com/f1/news/ne-st ... l/4588718/
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Shame, it was an opportunity to win, but taken out by a puncture. Oh well, on to COTA. There is only one long straight to lose time to Ferrari. Most corners are low to medium speed, and Honda has historically done well around here. Hopefully Verstappen has a little bit more luck this time and has a clean race.
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Have you factored in the softest tyres Leclerc and Albon used due to the extra pitstop?. The average race pace is not representative here.

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Nonserviam85 wrote:
29 Oct 2019, 14:52
Have you factored in the softest tyres Leclerc and Albon used due to the extra pitstop?. The average race pace is not representative here.
All stints are factored on the average race pace, also you can see the stints individually

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Cota is a very bumpy track so Rbr won't be the foam team,you would have wait for Brazil for that. As for long straights Fia had a meeting with Ferrari behind closed doors so in Mexico 0.6 tenth has been reduced to 0.2 tenth. The peaking order in Mexico in power terms was Ferrari, Honda and others.

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Bill wrote:
29 Oct 2019, 19:41
As for long straights Fia had a meeting with Ferrari behind closed doors.
Do you have a source?

The peaking order in Mexico in power terms was Ferrari, Honda and others.
...... and others? What do you mean?
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GPR -A wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 15:53
Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.

https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
Monologues on discussion platforms are silly ..
Anyway, I'm with Sieper; from what I see Ham takes the risk by cutting deep in the corner leaving barely a cars width. All very understandable as turn 2 is a left. By cutting that deep (while not in front) he takes the genuine risk of sending the RB out on the curb, knowing all too well that curb might affect control of the RB (and even hurt himself). He is willing to take the risks as he wants to end his win-free-streak since Summer and knows Ves is his only real opponent this race, so therefor needs to clear Ves within the 1st 3 corners (and WDC is already safe). That is why he takes that risk.
And while afterwards he and Vet are all about pointing to that guy that always needs extra space for safety, yet they themselves are the culprits replicating years and years of media training.
I used to like them a lot as drivers, but this constant moaning and groaning while driving a superior car starts to annoy quite a bit.

But hey .. ofcourse it's not the truth, it's just an opinion.
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diffuser wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 16:20
Sieper wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 15:59
GPR -A wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 15:53
Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.

https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
Max did not squeeze Lewis to the left and Lewis braked very deep (was behind Max before that) leaving Max not very much place to avoid that kerb). But you cut that off the movie.
Nope check the On board, Max deliberately hits Hamilton. He purposely spun the wheel to the left then back to the right almost a full turn. That's the way he rolls.
I checked .. and I don't agree, as would anyone with any (even basic) racing experience.
But it does not matter, as that idea is apparently cemented and hardened.
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I question if RB decided to pit Albon early and in traffic, in order to make him miss the podium with verstapp on the very back....... Or was it just a mistake?