Mercedes W11

[PhillipM]

Not disputing the legality of it just the need of it. There is a big move to controlling costs in areas spectators can not identify, surely this is one?

Looks pretty identifiable to me - everyone is looking at it on the cameras. Also transferable to automatic systems in road cars.

[Big Tea]

Not disputing the legality of it just the need of it. There is a big move to controlling costs in areas spectators can not identify, surely this is one?

Looks pretty identifiable to me - everyone is looking at it on the cameras. Also transferable to automatic systems in road cars.

You think it would benefit road cars? The speed most places are restricted to it would make no difference but ad a huge chunk to the cost

[bonjon1979]

I think FIA will find a way to bomb it. As much as I like it, will it add to the 'spectacle' of the race? By the start of the European races it will be on every car and will have cost a lot of money for no benefit (as they will all have it)

For a few races Merc will have an advantage, for a few races after these who get it installed quickest will have an advantage over those who do not, but all in all, lots of extra money for no gain and making no difference at all to the game. Ban it once Merc (or anyone else who has it from day one) have had what benefit wil be realistic, but it is worthless to F1

Well...

https://www.racefans.net/2020/02/20/fia ... -be-legal/

Not disputing the legality of it just the need of it. There is a big move to controlling costs in areas spectators can not identify, surely this is one?

With this rationale, every engine upgrade should also be outlawed. Fans can’t see it? So they should be banned from engine upgrades. Likewise, cooling upgrades. Likewise, any battery tomfoolery etc, etc, ad finitum

[214270]

Steering wheel - steering column - steering rack - track rod - wheel upright

I for one cannot wait to see how they argue that this system, which is also the conventional steering system adopted up & down the pitlane and which remains the basic steering system for the Merc is now a suspension/aero device

[mattiebee99]

I am sure they are testing with DAS and without DAS to get a sense of the lap time advantage. I would imagine that the system would be difficult to use at a track like Monaco. While Monza or Spa would be a huge advantage.

[Owen.C93]

Not disputing the legality of it just the need of it. There is a big move to controlling costs in areas spectators can not identify, surely this is one?

This is very much an additional skill for the drivers. It's added another axis to the steering that the good drivers can micro adjust. Way more interesting and safe than the fiddly switches they have.


TBH I hope it's allowed to continue in the future. And I think Mercedes have been pretty conservative in their initial approach because I'm sure there's scope to go further into moveable aero with it at a later stage.

[Mr.G]

I think FIA will find a way to bomb it. As much as I like it, will it add to the 'spectacle' of the race? By the start of the European races it will be on every car and will have cost a lot of money for no benefit (as they will all have it)

For a few races Merc will have an advantage, for a few races after these who get it installed quickest will have an advantage over those who do not, but all in all, lots of extra money for no gain and making no difference at all to the game. Ban it once Merc (or anyone else who has it from day one) have had what benefit wil be realistic, but it is worthless to F1

Exactly - same as f-duct

[wesley123]

The rules are clear - suspension changes can only be made when the car is stationary, so the system is 100% illegal.

So how would they steer then? This system really is no different than steering left or right because it uses the steering rack to change toe.

[Chene_Mostert]

Steering wheel - steering column - steering rack - track rod - wheel upright

I for one cannot wait to see how they argue that this system, which is also the conventional steering system adopted up & down the pitlane and which remains the basic steering system for the Merc is now a suspension/aero device

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Easy, since pulling the steering backwards (outside of normal steering operation) does not steer the car, it changes the "toe angle" of the front wheels, this in turn provides a benefit, outside of the function of steering the car.
pushing /pulling on the steering is a totally separate input from left /right rotation that results in steering.
Same control, two different inputs two different outputs

like i mentioned before, Delta wing planes using ailevons. one steering yoke - ailerons.
pushing and pulling on yoke makes both ailerons move up or down, changing the pitch angle of the plane.
rotating yoke from left to right operates ailerons in differential mode, changing roll angle of plane.
one control, one control surface to different functions.

[Pyrone89]

Very cool new system. But, let’s have a moment of silence for RedBull who thought to be clever by moving the steering rack so far back that it’s harder to copy such an innovation

And a moment of silence for all those people wanting a WDC battle for a change instead of the 7th annual trophy collection tour by Mercedes

[Chene_Mostert]

The rules are clear - suspension changes can only be made when the car is stationary, so the system is 100% illegal.

So how would they steer then? This system really is no different than steering left or right because it uses the steering rack to change toe.

That's where you are wrong. a steering rack is a rack and pinion, rotating the pinion, displaces the rack to one side, this causes one steering arm to pull in, and the other to extend, thus rotating the wheels in the same direction. that's steering.
extending or contracting steering arms in same direction, independent of pinion rotation, causing the wheels to rotate in opposite direction to each other is not steering. that is toe adjustment.

really not that tough to comprehend?

[drunkf1fan]

merc is just so on top of things insane how dominant they have been and how they continue to push

That grin he had all the way through. He can barely keep a straight face. Outside of the first few days of 2014 testing where they are thinking.... holy lugnuts, this has to have been on of the most fun days in all their tests. They knew this was going to be spotted, they knew everyone would be confused then amazed and they knew 9 other teams would quietly be watching their onboards while thinking bad thoughts about how they missed it.

[wesley123]

The rules are clear - suspension changes can only be made when the car is stationary, so the system is 100% illegal.

So how would they steer then? This system really is no different than steering left or right because it uses the steering rack to change toe.

That's where you are wrong. a steering rack is a rack and pinion, rotating the pinion, displaces the rack to one side, this causes one steering arm to pull in, and the other to extend, thus rotating the wheels in the same direction. that's steering.
extending or contracting steering arms in same direction, independent of pinion rotation, causing the wheels to rotate in opposite direction to each other is not steering. that is toe adjustment.

really not that tough to comprehend?

Apparently the thing that is difficult to comprehend is that both steering as well as this system are operated by the steering wheel and changing the toe.

That this changes toe opposite to each other is irrelevant.

[Unc1eM0nty]

He's gloating big time here, trolling the world of F1

[Chene_Mostert]

So how would they steer then? This system really is no different than steering left or right because it uses the steering rack to change toe.

That's where you are wrong. a steering rack is a rack and pinion, rotating the pinion, displaces the rack to one side, this causes one steering arm to pull in, and the other to extend, thus rotating the wheels in the same direction. that's steering.
extending or contracting steering arms in same direction, independent of pinion rotation, causing the wheels to rotate in opposite direction to each other is not steering. that is toe adjustment.

really not that tough to comprehend?

Apparently the thing that is difficult to comprehend is that both steering as well as this system are operated by the steering wheel and changing the toe.

That this changes toe opposite to each other is irrelevant.

I've seen some adapted vehicles that operate accelerator and brake from one control (paddle). but one direction still operates throttle and the other the brakes... two totally different functions. DAA-D (Dual axis acceleration and deceleration.)