2005 aero in Barcelona testing

dumrick · Post 29 Nov 2004, 12:01

Reca wrote:BAR front wing, on both the liveried and the black car, is definitively the 2004 version.
A further pic from the Barcelona test :
http://www.f1racing.net/en/photolarge.p ... &catID=147

That rear wing is huge, but the front wing, as I said in my first post, looks like 2004's...

Are they using a 2005 rear aero (together with rear mechanics) with 2004 front aero? That should unbalance the car a bit... but the intention could be only the mechanical validation of the rear assembly, including wing fixation...

Reca · Post 29 Nov 2004, 16:03

You can always reduce front flap incidence, also other teams tested “with 2005 downforce levels” without changing wings. Then we should know if they are also using the “new” diffuser etc.
Do you have noticed the white tape on the lower part of the the brake ducts in the pic you posted previously ? Few days after the draft of the rules was released Ross Brawn commented that raising the front wing could create some problems for brake cooling...

Aradea wrote: Well, if BAR were using the 2004 front wing (or the height of it...), how come they were 2-3 seconds slower ?

The rear wing is definitively 2005. Then what about the diffuser ? The tyres ? The fuel load ? The engine ? What they are testing ? How much they are pushing ?
Gené was faster Wednesday with the raised wing than Tuesday with the low wing. Does that mean something ? Yes, it means that it’s testing, nobody gives champ point for best laptime in the first week of testing for the new season.

dumrick · Post 29 Nov 2004, 17:00

Reca wrote:Do you have noticed the white tape on the lower part of the the brake ducts in the pic you posted previously ? Few days after the draft of the rules was released Ross Brawn commented that raising the front wing could create some problems for brake cooling...

No, I didn't. Only now. Very good point Reca.

It's natural that the new position of the front wings "masks" a bit more the brakes. Also, it will be normal, if the rear wing doesn't loose as much efficience as the front, that they will be using greater incidences. So, that "brake cooling simulation" is natural but how about engine cooling, underfloor interactions and so on?

Why the hell simulate a particular effect if, with 2004 front wing configuration, they are unable to replicate every other effect? Only if dedicated brake testing was already being done...

Guest · Post 05 Dec 2004, 04:45

Aradea wrote:Well, if BAR were using the 2004 front wing (or the height of it...), how come they were 2-3 seconds slower ?

Because it's testing, not dragracing.

You sound like a BAR fanboy, overwhelmed by this season's sudden rise and stressed out thinking they will lose pace.
Wintertesting is nothing to make conclusions about, unless somebody consistently blows their engines, or anything alike.
Last winter Mclaren was very fast, pizzonia was going to be the rookie of the year judging by his times, Ferrari was rumoured to have all sorts of problems, williams was going to take the title with their wallrus nose and very few knew BAR's speed was for real.
So don't make conclusions based on winter, come Melbourne all the predictions will seem embarassing.
This season ferrari was supposed to suck, and what do we have?
In 2003 ferrari was supposed to be totaly dominant... micheal snatched the title with mere 2 points.
All predictions are bound to go wrong. More or less.

Guest · Post 08 Dec 2004, 12:57

does anyone have an idea of what this is just behind the sidepod on montys car
http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2004/t ... po_140.jpg

Monstrobolaxa · Post 08 Dec 2004, 15:51

Well if it was closer to the rear wheel I'd say a laser heat sensor for the rear wheels......but it seems to be to far....and have a strange shape....when compared to the heat sensors previously used....so porbably it isnt.

scarbs · Post 08 Dec 2004, 16:14

McLaren have run Thermoteknix heat sensing cameras at early season tests before, They have a one pair of cameras mounted low (and quite far forward) facing the rear, and a pair near the sidepod inlets facing forwards. Last year the rear facing pair were mounted in blisters added to the floor\sidepod, this years set up appears to remove them from the surface floor probably to decrease their impact on the aero.

http://www.thermoteknix.com

ferrarist · Post 11 Dec 2004, 00:51

I read that MCL tested with heat sensors and mini cameras on sidepods, but i cant find any pics......

scarbs · Post 13 Dec 2004, 10:47

They are in the pctures posted above....?