[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[adrianjordan]

MCLAREN HOLDINGS LIMITED / U.S. BANK TRUSTEES LIMITED court document - https://pdfhost.io/v/JNNyCbaII_Microsof ... 24docx.pdf

McLaren need to raise £280m no later than July 17 2020 to be able to support continued operations going into 2021.

Wow...so they are in a critical situation?

They might, but they have these every couple of months. To get the best deal the company has many short term loans that need to be redone every few years.

If things were really that critical then the owners would step in rather than lose the billions they've already invested.

[Jolle]

Wow...so they are in a critical situation?

They might, but they have these every couple of months. To get the best deal the company has many short term loans that need to be redone every few years.

If things were really that critical then the owners would step in rather than lose the billions they've already invested.

That’s the funny part: they haven’t. Almost all investments in McLaren (automotive) are loans.

[Andres125sx]

If you're trying to say that EVs are more popular, there are a lot of niche EV hypercars, none have particularly taken off apart from the Lotus, which at track speed, lasts for 7 minutes before you charge it for several hours. That's not Mclaren. The Porsche Taycan EV has a 62 mile range in optimal conditions or 5 minutes of racing..... Sorry but that is an absolute novelty. Yes it has a range of 200+ miles but I'm sur eit's easy to understand that Mclaren build race cars that can go to the track. If that is all you can do to enjoy your car at the track, it's pretty awful and pointless.

So EVs are a novelty, right. Is that a surprise for anyone?

Not so long ago electric hypercars were just a pipe dream, obviously they´re still some steps behind ICEs hypercars, but they´re catching up quite fast and now even Porsche offer an EV. That should mean something

[mclaren111]

Some interesting things coming up in Automotive...

https://carbuzz.com/news/get-ready-for- ... -senna-yet

[Ground Effect]

So with the current situation of things at McLaren, it’s not unlikely that the inability to test a 2018 car was down to cost saving, not Renault’s refusal to supply.

[proteus]

If you're trying to say that EVs are more popular, there are a lot of niche EV hypercars, none have particularly taken off apart from the Lotus, which at track speed, lasts for 7 minutes before you charge it for several hours. That's not Mclaren. The Porsche Taycan EV has a 62 mile range in optimal conditions or 5 minutes of racing..... Sorry but that is an absolute novelty. Yes it has a range of 200+ miles but I'm sur eit's easy to understand that Mclaren build race cars that can go to the track. If that is all you can do to enjoy your car at the track, it's pretty awful and pointless.

So EVs are a novelty, right. Is that a surprise for anyone?

Not so long ago electric hypercars were just a pipe dream, obviously they´re still some steps behind ICEs hypercars, but they´re catching up quite fast and now even Porsche offer an EV. That should mean something

Those who want a full driving experience of these beasts, will not only want, but they will demand an internal combustion engine and its roar trough exhaust pipes. Fully electric cars will be a collectable item for those that allready dont know how to spend their wastly amounts of money and need something to fill the number 100 slot in the garage - or simply they will buy both types of cars anyways.

For now, there is no fear that electric hypercars would dominate in the market, especially with their current flaws. And petrol fueled cars will be still a desirable item, even when the tide changes since they will represent even bigger exlusivety for rich people (in terms of: "look at me you ordinary people, you cant own a petrol fueled car anymore, but i can").

Overall these supercars will enjoy similiar status, that old american muscle gas guzzlers do.

[djos]

I’d have to agree with your assessment, I love technology, including electric cars, but there’s nothing quite like some 70’s Aussie or American muscle powered by a thumping big V8.

[Jolle]

There is no discussion that there is a market for ice hypercars, but that market is small. McLaren mass produces sports cars, just like Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche. For these cars the ICE will be replaced eventually with electric power. Porsche took the first step and good chance a fully electric two door coupe will follow.

[proteus]

What is this rainbow about on the halo?

[Lucky]

Some changes?
https://radikal.ru

You can see better here.
https://www.mclaren.com/racing/team/mcl ... -campaign/

It's the gay pride flag [...]

[Macklaren]

So with the current situation of things at McLaren, it’s not unlikely that the inability to test a 2018 car was down to cost saving, not Renault’s refusal to supply.

Doubt it. Renault would have made that VERY clear then. Also, McL rented Silverstone for 3 days to run an F3 car...can't be cheap

[ncx]

What is this rainbow about on the halo?

Covid-related F1 initiative:

"Known as #WeRaceAsOne, the campaign is a thank you from F1 to key workers and everyone else who has had to endure COVID-19.
An F1 "rainbow" logo has been designed, incorporating the colours of all 10 teams."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-d ... s/4810189/

[Wouter]

[Jolle]

So with the current situation of things at McLaren, it’s not unlikely that the inability to test a 2018 car was down to cost saving, not Renault’s refusal to supply.

Doubt it. Renault would have made that VERY clear then. Also, McL rented Silverstone for 3 days to run an F3 car...can't be cheap

I found it quite strange that they used a F3 car while they do have running 2013 cars that they use for other stuff like the winner of that rookie competition of the British driver association. Or is suggests that the actual car itself didn't make that much difference.

[Mansell89]

https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status ... 0258681856

Blimey, the day has come when neither Mansour and Ron are involved in day to day McLaren business.