[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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_cerber1 wrote:I believe that this was a good day for the team, and we need to focus on our work, not paying attention to the rivals. We have a new car, without major updates, and it is fast from the very beginning, which is good for development.
Exactly! The MCL35 seems to be a good step from the MCL34, which proved to be a good car last year... Not a lot can be done about what other teams are doing and the focus has to be on developing as much as possible given that they won’t be able to update the car in between seasons

Carlos states that their upgrades will come for Silverstone, so if they can be in the mix at the start, it should be a good season.


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We only just saw practice, so maybe it's not the best idea to draw out conclusions right away. The difference between RP and the rest of the midfield might not be as significant as FP2 showed.

But, if that were the case:

I am personally not very optimistic on getting 4th again because this is not like the other seasons. We don't know how many races there will be. If it was a normal season and they were in this position then I would have been confident for the improvement possibilities over the year. But in this state, every point will matter, and if RP starts off this strong, they will build up a big lead for 4th (especially since there will be double headers at the same track). That's why I think realistically for this year the fight will be for 5th with Renault.

And it's not that I don't trust that McLaren has the capabilities to outdevelop RP. I really think they will by the end of this season. It's just that these early points will matter too much on an unpredictable season like this. Even if they manage to move ahead of RP in terms of performance later on, RP will keep scoring points anyway because their car is good enough to remain competitive throughout even without them upgrading it. And because of a potential early lead that they might get now, it's going to be tough to close it down.

Nevertheless, the battle with Renault might be interesting.

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Emag wrote:
03 Jul 2020, 22:34
We only just saw practice, so maybe it's not the best idea to draw out conclusions right away. The difference between RP and the rest of the midfield might not be as significant as FP2 showed.

But, if that were the case:

I am personally not very optimistic on getting 4th again because this is not like the other seasons. We don't know how many races there will be. If it was a normal season and they were in this position then I would have been confident for the improvement possibilities over the year. But in this state, every point will matter, and if RP starts off this strong, they will build up a big lead for 4th (especially since there will be double headers at the same track). That's why I think realistically for this year the fight will be for 5th with Renault.

And it's not that I don't trust that McLaren has the capabilities to outdevelop RP. I really think they will by the end of this season. It's just that these early points will matter too much on an unpredictable season like this. Even if they manage to move ahead of RP in terms of performance later on, RP will keep scoring points anyway because their car is good enough to remain competitive throughout even without them upgrading it. And because of a potential early lead that they might get now, it's going to be tough to close it down.

Nevertheless, the battle with Renault might be interesting.
Great post and I agree with a lot of what you mention above, Racing point have already mentioned they only have one massive upgrade planned for the season, so that show's you the confidence they have in there car. The interesting thing will be if Racing point know how to work with that car over a period of races. McLaren's trump card in my opinion is there driver line up is better, however Lando need's to be more consistent in races. Will be very interesting to watch the battle for 4th and would be great if we can out perfrom other's at specific tracks.
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Just watching the tech report on f1 official chanell and the analyst said that RP brought a new wing design to Austria. And the wing is a blody copy of Mercs Melbourne spec rear wing.. Haha what a classless bunch of twats

The battle for fourth will be intense because we have two very good drivers and RPhas one good and one daddys little pony

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Emag wrote:
03 Jul 2020, 21:30
I think Mercedes and RedBull are in front. Ferrari is in trouble but they will be ahead of RacingPoint. And McLaren will have to fight for 5th with Renault unless they bring some huge upgrade this season.
Do you think RP will be able to upgrade their car much this year?

All it takes is a few bad races for RP, a DNF here or there, and that early season advantage is gone. I wouldn't say it is done yet. Perez is a good driver, but Stroll... might be the weak link.
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SmallSoldier wrote:
03 Jul 2020, 22:05
_cerber1 wrote:I believe that this was a good day for the team, and we need to focus on our work, not paying attention to the rivals. We have a new car, without major updates, and it is fast from the very beginning, which is good for development.
Exactly! The MCL35 seems to be a good step from the MCL34, which proved to be a good car last year... Not a lot can be done about what other teams are doing and the focus has to be on developing as much as possible given that they won’t be able to update the car in between seasons

Carlos states that their upgrades will come for Silverstone, so if they can be in the mix at the start, it should be a good season.


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Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.

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diffuser wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
03 Jul 2020, 22:05
_cerber1 wrote:I believe that this was a good day for the team, and we need to focus on our work, not paying attention to the rivals. We have a new car, without major updates, and it is fast from the very beginning, which is good for development.
Exactly! The MCL35 seems to be a good step from the MCL34, which proved to be a good car last year... Not a lot can be done about what other teams are doing and the focus has to be on developing as much as possible given that they won’t be able to update the car in between seasons

Carlos states that their upgrades will come for Silverstone, so if they can be in the mix at the start, it should be a good season.


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Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.
Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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SmallSoldier wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 08:21
diffuser wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
03 Jul 2020, 22:05

Exactly! The MCL35 seems to be a good step from the MCL34, which proved to be a good car last year... Not a lot can be done about what other teams are doing and the focus has to be on developing as much as possible given that they won’t be able to update the car in between seasons

Carlos states that their upgrades will come for Silverstone, so if they can be in the mix at the start, it should be a good season.


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Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.
Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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There is a weakness. Both cars started to fall apart when drivers rode cerbs. This can become a major problem in qualifying and even bigger in the race.
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F1.com

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One Lap Pace...


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Race Pace... Looks a Bit Funny / Slow

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Corner speed...

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proteus wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 09:29
SmallSoldier wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 08:21
diffuser wrote:
Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.
Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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There is a weakness. Both cars started to fall apart when drivers rode cerbs. This can become a major problem in qualifying and even bigger in the race.
But that kerb is known to be quite harsh, I think that Red Bull stated the same, it is a Kerb to stay away from.
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We will do well to be in the top 10 and beat both Renaults. Sainz said the RP will just be too fast and I see no reason to doubt him. If we can be up there then I would say it’s a successful start to the season. Long run pace looked decent but again very close to a Renault. Being able to start 11th (Free choice of tire) and being towed to better lap times out of it may not be a bad thing here

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Is that Racing Point that good that has sidestepped to second place or is it possible that Red Bull, Ferrari, Mclaren and Renault able to show more than what they show?

If that is the case why didn't we also copy last years Mercedes car if there is no shame in it? I find it hard to believe that just by copying last years car means that they would be as good as last years car.

It also bothers me that RP declaring themselves surely to be on top 6. Are they really that good that makes them sure they will beat the competition?

What's with these brutal kerbs in Austria? We cant use our full aerodynamic power if everytime we hit a kerb something breaks.

Finally I can't wait till we reach our glory days again where we were the team that had the innovations and be the car to beat.Bothers me how they can just copy a championship winning car from last season and then be like yeah we are winners. Definately a disgrace in the spirit of F1.

In any case we will see in the Qualifying when everyone uses everything they have where we stand for this first race. We should also keep pushing for that 1st place. It seems that we are closer than last year. All I can say is step by step.

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As expected in FP3. Lots of traffic so some laps not quite as good as possible. If they can find another 0.1s in the mid and last sector then they’re looking good for the predicted 9-10-11 spots

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It's not the kerbs fault. We will see after qualifying how much they have improved but so far they have completely matched their times from last year. If they aren't that much better than last year during quali then yeah that would be very disappointing.

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Anyone get any top speed data?

Kinda hoping there’s a little more in the tank - it will be ferociously close on Sunday for the points battle.