Silly Season 2020/2021 (starting with silliness in 2019)

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Looking at the pros and cons:
For Vettel: It makes sense for Vettel to go there. He'll get a fast car, a good team, lots of pre-existing contacts. He'll also believe he's faster than Verstappen (every racer on the grid should believe they are the fastest out there).

For Verstappen: He'll believe he's faster than Vettel and he has the team entirely backing him. He'll be fine with it.

For Horner: Absolutely no way this makes sense. He has to manage two drivers, both of whom think they are the fastest and both of whom think they will have the team behind them. On top of that, it's not as if I'd want either of those drivers dive-bombing the other (they both have a great deal of confidence that the other guy will move).

For RBR: It'll probably mean more WCC points, but a lower chance of securing the WDC as the drivers split points between them. Also far higher chance of negative PR, not just from drivers colliding but also from all the team politics being aired publicly.

I'm not sure the pros outweigh the cons.

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So it was just some attention seeking & clickbait from some journo? What a surprise.

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I would hate to lose Albon although him moving down to Alpha isnt so bad but still i also hate to lose Vettel on a shitty season with a shitty car.
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3jawchuck wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 14:29
It looks like the sensational news is not coming: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... t/fxekknl/
Sounds to me like it's coming, they're just not ready to announce yet

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"They are a very strong team, I know how strong they are from the past," Vettel said.

"I know why they were strong back then, and they are still a contender. It's a car that you can win races in, so for sure that would be interesting."

Asked directly if he would accept a drive at Red Bull if offered, Vettel replied: "As I said, it's a winning car, and as I said earlier, I'm here to compete and here to win.

"So probably the answer would be yes."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15044 ... o-red-bull
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Juzh wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 12:17
Big Tea wrote:
08 Jul 2020, 22:24
Quick thought, Is Flav still Alonso's manager :twisted: :twisted:
he is
F1 needs the Flav strutting up and down the paddock.
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dren wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 19:44
Juzh wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 12:17
Big Tea wrote:
08 Jul 2020, 22:24
Quick thought, Is Flav still Alonso's manager :twisted: :twisted:
he is
F1 needs the Flav strutting up and down the paddock.
In his 'bathers' :shock:
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I think the approach from Vettel is correct. I don't really think there's any need to rush. Having followed him from his beginning, I know he wouldn't want to just participate. If the case was so, he would have dropped such hints at Maranello and taken a nice pay along with all the perks of being in red. Ferrari has a short term history of being impatient with the world champions and a lack of impatience with their bridesmaids, so to speak.
The first thing Sebastian needs to do is to finish this season well. He might not get a podium and that's fine but he must restore some faith in the paddock and even fans like me for that matter that he has the consistency needed to be a champion again. F1 is fickle and I don't really care if he's scrapping for 10th but he must get the max out of it. To sight an example, Button in his retirement year.

From a RBR point of view, it's bananas to even entertain thoughts of dropping Albon to the junior squad. He's started the season with a bang and he really had the first race won. The media is so full of sh!t that they only look at results. Bottas' pace in the race was awful to be honest and in a 'normal' race he would have been P3 and if he had one of his days even P4. But, on paper he won so the media is all 3.0

Alex deserves a chance and Max is the best driver on the grid in terms of absolute package (includes age factor in the sense he will be around for 10 years min). Vettel will only be an insurance policy for RedBull and for any top running team right now. It's sad, but it is what it is.
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Schuttelberg wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 23:11
I think the approach from Vettel is correct. I don't really think there's any need to rush. Having followed him from his beginning, I know he wouldn't want to just participate. If the case was so, he would have dropped such hints at Maranello and taken a nice pay along with all the perks of being in red. Ferrari has a short term history of being impatient with the world champions and a lack of impatience with their bridesmaids, so to speak.
The first thing Sebastian needs to do is to finish this season well. He might not get a podium and that's fine but he must restore some faith in the paddock and even fans like me for that matter that he has the consistency needed to be a champion again. F1 is fickle and I don't really care if he's scrapping for 10th but he must get the max out of it. To sight an example, Button in his retirement year.

From a RBR point of view, it's bananas to even entertain thoughts of dropping Albon to the junior squad. He's started the season with a bang and he really had the first race won. The media is so full of sh!t that they only look at results. Bottas' pace in the race was awful to be honest and in a 'normal' race he would have been P3 and if he had one of his days even P4. But, on paper he won so the media is all 3.0

Alex deserves a chance and Max is the best driver on the grid in terms of absolute package (includes age factor in the sense he will be around for 10 years min). Vettel will only be an insurance policy for RedBull and for any top running team right now. It's sad, but it is what it is.
It's not like Seb is scot free at Ferrari though.
He has caused most mayhem of any Ferrari drivers in the past decades, which cost them lots of points,
and might even have cost them potential championships. He also 'damaged' relations between Ferrari and FIA with his Charlie Whiting outings and his famous charge into Hamilton at Baku.
Vettel caused enough to have Ferrari concider his position the way they did,
something Raikkonen never actually did in such fashion, and if we look at Raikkonen, Ferrari has been pretty 'loyal' there when they could have went a gazillion of directions instead.

Vettel is aging and his quality is 'fading'. He hasn't got too much to slam on the table. Even Mercedes has not went for the option, which is something interesting to say just as well. Vettel left RBR in the cold, not unlike Rosberg did to Mercedes. Vettel has already started the season bad when Charles actually ended up P2. At a time where it never has been any more important for a Ferrari driver to wring the most out of a car, Vettel once again comes short, he doesn't really work that well under pressure.
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If I was Seb, I'd retire and have a dozen more babies, and I'd put all my time into building them from a young age into whatever superstar they want to be.

4x WDC and mega rich. In the Hall of Fame with the greats with great health and plenty of time for family. It's a no brainer to me.

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Fernando Alonso is a cheeky bastard.... He dam well knows as fans now we're going to hope he means Vettel is staying for 2021....
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Juzh wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 12:17
Big Tea wrote:
08 Jul 2020, 22:24
Quick thought, Is Flav still Alonso's manager :twisted: :twisted:
he is
No, he´s not. It´s Luis Garcia Abad at least since his Ferrari days

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Andres125sx wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:12
Juzh wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 12:17
Big Tea wrote:
08 Jul 2020, 22:24
Quick thought, Is Flav still Alonso's manager :twisted: :twisted:
he is
No, he´s not. It´s Luis Garcia Abad at least since his Ferrari days
I always thought Luis was kind of a proxy for Flav. No?
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Horner confirmed Vettel is not going to RedBull next season.
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zeph wrote:
07 Jul 2020, 23:28
Big Alonso fan, he's the reason I started watching F1 again (stopped when Schu's dominance made it boring).

However, I don't see this playing out well. I'm thinking more McLaren 2015, not Ferrari 2010.
Don't be that rude with Renault mate, I think they will perform in 2021 much better than Honda in 2015 :P