[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

That’s one of the best assets of this year’s Mclaren team, they have a very solid pairing on their drivers.

We have to keep in mind that Lando is still 20 years old, on his second season in F1... He is bound to make mistakes and have a few bad weekends... The interesting thing with him is that he has a lot of room for improvement and given the baseline his showing, he could be one of the best drivers in the future.

He does lack experience compared to Carlos and only mileage will give him that... Carlos on the other hand is also a very quick driver and last season showed that he has a lot of race craft to during Sunday’s, there is a reason why Ferrari hired him.


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[Emag]

Definitely. Lando has seemingly improved but it has only been one race. And he still has a lot of room for improvement too. I am pretty sure if he had kept it together after the final safety car he might have gotten second. Ferrari were very weak here last time and he might not have that chance again with the upgrades that Ferrari is bringing for this race.

Of course, depends on how much those upgrades will bring for Ferrari. I am sure McLaren has stuff in the pipeline too. If their upgrade is not as significant as people are making it out to be, there's a chance McLaren might be able to fight back. It would be amazing if they get the chance to fight for third this year. That extra prize money will definitely be very helpful after the difficult covid period.

[diffuser]

Lando Norris is far better than Carlos Sainz. Ferrari made a mistake signing the Spanaird. They should have signed Norris.

I don't know man. Carlos was weaker on qualifying this time again, so his starting position was way down compared to Norris. I think he admitted that he wasn't as comfortable as his teammate during qualifying. Anyway on the race, he nearly overtook Lando on track at the closing stages of the race and it might have been him who got that podium if Lando hadn't defended that strongly.

Lando has gotten better no doubt about that, however Carlos is no slouch too.

Forget that we're just talking about 1 race.
Forget that the decision was taken before the start of the season.
Forget that Sainz really impressed over Norris in the 2nd half of 2019
Forget that saints was available to sign after this year.
Forget that Norris has one of those RBR junior driver contracts where even if McLaren signed 3 more drivers and told Norris he was #4, he couldn't drive with anyone else.
Forget that Norris is just a kid and that he might not be ready for that pressure cooker.
Forget Saints has been through the ringer at RBR/STR.

You can only sigh who you can sign and Norris...Ferrari was NOT allow to sign.
Sainz, WITHOUT a doubt, is the safest and only bet of the 2 McLaren drivers.

[geogate]

Sainz struck me as a terrible fit for Ferrari, regardless of how good or not good he may be. The guy seems to need a certain atmosphere around him to thrive. I dont see it going well at all

[djos]

I agree, I hope I’m wrong but I see him playing second fiddle to Charles. Daniel was right to choose Mclaren over Ferrari.

[mwillems]

I agree, I hope I’m wrong but I see him playing second fiddle to Charles. Daniel was right to choose Mclaren over Ferrari.

Charles will taste No 1 status. He's not going to stop until he has it secured and Carlos will suffer, but I'm sure Carlos will be given an opportunity by the team to try and show he is faster.

Carlos does seem to have an ability to get his head down and drive, but how possible that is at Ferrari, I don't know.

Ultimately I think Charles is perhaps the most naturally talented racer on the grid and may go on to become one of the most talented drivers ever. Carlos has a big set to be going to Ferrari against him, but then all F1 drivers seem to think they would be the best in the right car.

[Ground Effect]

I think, or at least hope, that Lando will also benefit from the knowledge that he’s got a seat for next year. That stability seemed to play a big part in the development of Carlos last year. Lando could go his own way a bit, take a few risks, be a bit more aggressive... in a calm way hopefully.

[SmallSoldier]

Very nice chart of the last lap difference between Norris and Hamilton from last weekend, by cjw_racing in Reddit




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[f1rules]

very illustrative! i quess will be good to have that merc in the back next year, or maybe Hamilton had drs on the last lap,
Edit
he did, ok then its not very informative

[Tommy Cookers]

isn't the chart wrong or somewhat wrong ?

the car in front will automatically increase its lead on the straights and decrease its lead in the bends
eg this would occur if a Hamilton lap was plotted 1 sec behind an identical Hamilton lap

because 1 second is a greater distance at high speed than at lower speed
(some or all of) the lead increase and reduction is an artefact of this type of presentation

[Emag]

No my man. That graph measures where the delta between two drivers changes and to whose favor it changes.

You are right that 1 second on the straight (more speed) is a lot more spaced out than 1 second in the corners (low speed). But nobody in F1 uses the distance between cars as a proper unit of measuring how close or far two cars are from each other. Time is much more accurate and that's what this graph is based on.

Nevertheless, don't think that Ham was faster on the straights because of the engine. On some areas, yeah its down to the engine, however on the main straights he had drs because of bottas in front and Norris did not. Hence the difference.

Edit: Was on my phone, didn't see the top part which says it is about distance. I thought it was about the time since that's what is usually used for tgese types of thing.

In that case, yeah it's kind of useless.

[FittingMechanics]

I believe he is right. The chart is quite useless. It would be much better if it showed time difference between the two, and not the distance. It would probably be much less "peaky" and more of a general downward trend.

When you are going 300km/h on the straight, 1 second is 83 meters. when you are doing 100 km/h 1 second is only 27 meters.

[Tommy Cookers]

fwiw
I think that there's some distortion even looking at time difference ....

only if 2 Hamiltons drove on a circle track (constant speed) would their time difference remain 1 sec throughout the lap
where speed varies throughout the lap the time difference between the 2 Hamiltons will vary throughout the lap
(when I say Hamiltons I mean of course Mr Hamiltons)

or ......
the lap average speed is say 200 km/h
at any moment the average speed will be below or above that 200 km/h
and the distance covered will be above or below what it would be if the speed was a constant 200
so 2 Mr Hamiltons starting 1 second apart will during the lap be more than or less than 1 second apart

help !!
mathematics emergency !!

[Jolle]

fwiw
I think that there's some distortion even looking at time difference ....

only if 2 Hamiltons drove on a circle track (constant speed) would their time difference remain 1 sec throughout the lap
where speed varies throughout the lap the time difference between the 2 Hamiltons will vary throughout the lap
(when I say Hamiltons I mean of course Mr Hamiltons)

or ......
the lap average speed is say 200 km/h
at any moment the average speed will be below or above that 200 km/h
and the distance covered will be above or below what it would be if the speed was a constant 200
so 2 Mr Hamiltons starting 1 second apart will during the lap be more than or less than 1 second apart

help !!
mathematics emergency !!

In this thought process you’re missing where it’s measured. It’s a fixed point (or many fixed points, but always the same point for both drivers). So LH2 will always pass the same point 1 second later then LH1.

[FittingMechanics]

In this thought process you’re missing where it’s measured. It’s a fixed point (or many fixed points, but always the same point for both drivers). So LH2 will always pass the same point 1 second later then LH1.

Exactly. When using time it is fine, but if you plotted the distance you would get constantly changing distance of LH1 to LH2 depending on their speed, in the end with the average being distance you pass in one second on average lap speed. Not understanding the chart you could think that LH1 is faster on the straight while LH2 is slower in the corner, when in fact it is the same lap just moved a second back.

To simplify, the chart above is not really informative, almost misleading.