2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

[ENGINE TUNER]

. Put Hamilton in the Renault and see if he takes pole. Newsflash, he wont.

OCO was .433 off VER, I think HAM could pull another half a second out of Ocon's time. HAM could have got pole in the Renault today, especially since VER made another mistake on his fast lap.

[Pyrone89]

. Put Hamilton in the Renault and see if he takes pole. Newsflash, he wont.

OCO was .433 off VER, I think HAM could pull another half a second out of Ocon's time. HAM could have got pole in the Renault today, especially since VER made another mistake on his fast lap.

No he couldn't. You are holding Hamilton to be some supergod. This is almost starting to get as ridiculous as Alonso's automatic 6 tenths.

By your logic Hamilton would have gotten the Williams half way to Q3

[ENGINE TUNER]

. Put Hamilton in the Renault and see if he takes pole. Newsflash, he wont.

OCO was .433 off VER, I think HAM could pull another half a second out of Ocon's time. HAM could have got pole in the Renault today, especially since VER made another mistake on his fast lap.

No he couldn't. You are holding Hamilton to be some supergod. This is almost starting to get as ridiculous as Alonso's automatic 6 tenths.

By your logic Hamilton would have gotten the Williams half way to Q3

HAM beat BOT by over 1.4s, you don't think he could put .433 on OCO?

RUS got the Williams to P12, that is already more than halfway to Q3

Are you actually paying attention?

[dans79]

. Put Hamilton in the Renault and see if he takes pole. Newsflash, he wont.

OCO was .433 off VER, I think HAM could pull another half a second out of Ocon's time. HAM could have got pole in the Renault today, especially since VER made another mistake on his fast lap.

No he couldn't. You are holding Hamilton to be some supergod. This is almost starting to get as ridiculous as Alonso's automatic 6 tenths.

By your logic Hamilton would have gotten the Williams half way to Q3

Considering the lengths that some people on this forum will go to, to try and talk down Lewis to make "their" driver look better, I have problem with others boasting about Lewis, or talking him up a little.

[Pyrone89]

OCO was .433 off VER, I think HAM could pull another half a second out of Ocon's time. HAM could have got pole in the Renault today, especially since VER made another mistake on his fast lap.

No he couldn't. You are holding Hamilton to be some supergod. This is almost starting to get as ridiculous as Alonso's automatic 6 tenths.

By your logic Hamilton would have gotten the Williams half way to Q3

HAM beat BOT by over 1.4s, you don't think he could put .433 on OCO?

RUS got the Williams to P12, that is already more than halfway to Q3

Are you actually paying attention?

Are you? There is a maximum a car can get. Seeing how good Ocon's time is, it is extremely likely that he drove near the maximum of the car. Also based on Renaults performance last week. Doesn't matter then if you are named Hamilton or Verstappen, the car simply won't go faster.

Halfway IN Q3 is position 5.

Unless you truly believe the Renault can match Red Bull on pace you know damn well that Ocon was driving near the limit of that car.

[ENGINE TUNER]

No he couldn't. You are holding Hamilton to be some supergod. This is almost starting to get as ridiculous as Alonso's automatic 6 tenths.

By your logic Hamilton would have gotten the Williams half way to Q3

HAM beat BOT by over 1.4s, you don't think he could put .433 on OCO?

RUS got the Williams to P12, that is already more than halfway to Q3

Are you actually paying attention?

Are you? There is a maximum a car can get. Seeing how good Ocon's time is, it is extremely likely that he drove near the maximum of the car. Also based on Renaults performance last week. Doesn't matter then if you are named Hamilton or Verstappen, the car simply won't go faster.

Halfway IN Q3 is position 5.

Unless you truly believe the Renault can match Red Bull on pace you know damn well that Ocon was driving near the limit of that car.

... you said half way TO Q3, RUS did that, HAM could too.

If HAM can put 1.2 over VER, than he can pit .433 on OCO. Or are you saying OCO is better than VER?

[dans79]

You'd think that on a supposed technical forum people would know about things such as the limit of the car and when to compare (equal variables), but that seems to be a hard thing. Basically whenever someone nuances the 'LH is god' parade they get attacked viciously on all sides.

Technical discussions happen, in the more technical parts of the forum, hence the reason they have voting enabled. The moderators allow for people to be more passionate in the race threads, and thus the reason voting is disabled.

[ispano6]

Sorry if this is a repost..

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/62970/wi ... tion-.html
Summary:
HUNGARY GP is probably canceled, there may be a third Austrian GP in a row.

[SF Engineer]

A couple things to think about from quali:

1. Some teams/cars may have adjusted settings more toward wet, whereas others may have left the dry settings on the car (since changes aren’t permitted between we and the race). Keeping in mind that VER was not quickest in S1 in the dry, but quickest in the wet, this could be an indicator that Red Bull did not increase downforce for the wet (at least on his car). The general twitchy nature of the car (as seen in his inboards) also points to this. This might also explain the performance difference between PER and STR, KYV and GAS, etc.

2. Conditions in the wet can change drastically over very short periods of time, despite the lack of such an appearance to the onlooker. The difference in lap time between HAM and the rest of the pack is obviously not fully down to this, but it has undoubtedly played a part. IMO any direct comparison of drivers in the wet, without knowledge of car set-up and corner-by-corner conditions around the lap is going to yield bogus results. HAM obviously optimized his lap in the conditions he had, and earned a well deserved pole.

[Pyrone89]

Sorry if this is a repost..

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/62970/wi ... tion-.html
Summary:
HUNGARY GP is probably canceled, there may be a third Austrian GP in a row.

Basically one 5th of the season (or more) is going to take place here.

[ringo]

Just imagine being Bottas, on a high since Sunday, having the upper hand on Friday and then.... back to reality and a bit further. Albon is the other driver with a considerable gap to his teammate, but that's more in line with expectations. But 1.4 seconds on your team mate... that are times from long long ago.

I am not surprised, Hamilton typically has over 1 second gaps to p2 muchless to his teammate in most if not all wet qualifying. People often forget the performances throughout the years.
He is just on a different level in the wet. I chuckle seeing attempts to explain why he went so fast, DAS, and redbull "weaknesses" and all that. The man just knows what to do with an F1 car in the wet, and the other drivers havent figured it out.

[Pyrone89]

Has Bottas ever been known as a good wet driver?

[dans79]

Just imagine being Bottas, on a high since Sunday, having the upper hand on Friday and then.... back to reality and a bit further. Albon is the other driver with a considerable gap to his teammate, but that's more in line with expectations. But 1.4 seconds on your team mate... that are times from long long ago.

I am not surprised, Hamilton typically has over 1 second gaps to p2 muchless to his teammate in most if not all wet qualifying. People often forget the performances throughout the years.
He is just on a different level in the wet. I chuckle seeing attempts to explain why he went so fast, DAS, and redbull "weaknesses" and all that. The man just knows what to do with an F1 car in the wet, and the other drivers haven't figured it out.

To be fare to Bottas, it's claimed his right front brake glazed over. However I think might have been down to how he approached qualifying. He pushed hard on his very first timed lap, Lewis looks to have spent 1 or 2 laps babying the car before he started pushing hard. I assume he did this to slowly build the tires & brakes up to temp, and to ensure he had a good gap.

[Bill]

Lewis didn't have over one second advantage in the rain against all his teammates infact against Button he lost most races to him.

[dans79]

Has Bottas ever been known as a good wet driver?

Better than some give him credit for, he qualified a horrendously bad Williams P3 in canada in the rain only behind Vettel and Lewis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Cana ... alifying_2