2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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siskue2005 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:49
Is there any investigation going on? coz Perez lost 2 positions
No action IIRC. :wink:

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Not too much point? Perez is going to get a 5-second penalty for pushing Albon wide and hitting him. Right?
And as for Stroll. You don't want to be the person / team who complains that Lance Stroll is too fast for you.

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Wynters wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:04
Sieper wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 18:24
It is 0.7 Or so I would say. Gasly was even further off and even Ricciardo was 0.6 slower on average in their last season together. Look up the data. Max was making the biggest gap to a teammate even with Ric. Only williams had a bigger gap (comparable) between drivers that year.
Is this based on Qualifying times? I've looked at 2018 and, even excluding Ricciardo being used as Verstappen's guinea pig the minute he announced he was leaving to go to a competitor, if you adjust using FP2 times where reliability prevented participation in Qualifying, then Verstappen is ahead, but it's by just over 1/10th on average.
No, based on the pace difference in the race. I haven’t bookmarked it and cannot now find it back. It was posted at year end, a site with a ginormous amount of data. ALL drivers were included. Spent hours and hours looking at it.

And data is just data. You always have to be (willing) to read through it. F.e. Today I am quite sure Alex got a higher power mode when Perez was on his tail. And after Max pitted for the reds the gap was more then halved. So in year end statistics Alex was quite “close” today. While in fact he was at more then 40 seconds.

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GhostF1 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:15
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12 Jul 2020, 16:52
Ooooh. Black girl track side engineer. =D>. Progress. The program is working!! Hehe
To be frank. I think any decent human being is all for equal rights, but the sudden appearance of black counterparts to usual hosts for every TV section is borderline a mockery... It makes me cringe because it's done purely to save face. comes across as almost mocking somehow?
I'll check your previous posts to see if you raised similar concerns when White female presenters and engineers started to appear on SKY TV screens and Team 'prat-perches'! I am sure the number of posts you have made are countless!
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The pink mercedes were on a different level today in the hands of Perez, he was lapping quicker than both Redbull and Merc at beginning of his medium stint. Unfortunate that he was behind Albon who defended well.
The Merc were taking it easy they had half a second in hand easy.

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Pirelli have a lot to answer for but it seems mainly they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Although different compounds this week might have made it a bit more fun.

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JordanMugen wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:09
siskue2005 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 18:36
I still dont understand why the tyres lat so long :wtf:
Why cant they bring softer tyres ?
I don't see the issue with having tyres that last. People are always complaining that Pirelli tyres are too fragile! So isn't it better that the tyres are hard and durable, and don't need to be nursed? :)
The tires last, but only if you are easy on them. Push them hard and they will overheat and lose massive grip. Unfortunately they might last all race, but only when cruising.

F1 needs tires that can pushed hard in order make alternate strategies possible

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Sieper wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:11
And data is just data. You always have to be (willing) to read through it.
All too true :)

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I was surprised RedBull did not go for 2 stops with soft-medium-soft. They could have forced Mercedes hand that way.
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Wynters wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:06
Do we know why Verstappen didn't manage to beat Sainz's time? By the look of it he was more than half-a-second slower. Traffic? Reliability? No DRS?
Traffic it seems.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:07
:lol:

Alleged breach of Art. 2.1, 3.2, Appendix 6 Paragraph 1, 2(a) and 2(c) of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations 2020
Interesting how they decide to protest that, and not the moronic divebomb of Stroll.
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It doesn’t matter what Pirelli does, at the end the strategies will always be fairly similar... With so many smart people on the teams and the amount of data they have and process, most teams will usually converge on a similar strategy in regards to the fastest overall time for the whole race.

More durable tires could lead to no-stop races, since if nursing them would allow to cover the pit time loss, then no one would do it... If they drop too much, they will be further nursed, if they don’t drop, they will still try to extent their stints as much as possible.


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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:22
Wynters wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:06
Do we know why Verstappen didn't manage to beat Sainz's time? By the look of it he was more than half-a-second slower. Traffic? Reliability? No DRS?
Traffic it seems.
Traffic (5 cars) in the outlap. But he also had FW damage (right hand side) and on the rearwing the endplates now have Those HAAS style Louvres, and both sides were totally gone I spotted post race. They need to strengthen the design it seems.

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Sieper wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:29
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:22
Wynters wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:06
Do we know why Verstappen didn't manage to beat Sainz's time? By the look of it he was more than half-a-second slower. Traffic? Reliability? No DRS?
Traffic it seems.
Traffic (5 cars) in the outlap. But he also had FW damage (right hand side) and on the rearwing the endplates now have Those HAAS style Louvres, and both sides were totally gone I spotted post race. They need to strengthen the design it seems.
I noticed alot of vibration on the entire rear wing of the reverse on board shot of VER.

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Sieper wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:29
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:22
Wynters wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 19:06
Do we know why Verstappen didn't manage to beat Sainz's time? By the look of it he was more than half-a-second slower. Traffic? Reliability? No DRS?
Traffic it seems.
Traffic (5 cars) in the outlap. But he also had FW damage (right hand side) and on the rearwing the endplates now have Those HAAS style Louvres, and both sides were totally gone I spotted post race. They need to strengthen the design it seems.
I figured the front wing might have been the kerbs, but do we know what caused the rear wing damage?