[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[diffuser]

From the motorsport article the other day, it appears a few teams are in support or agree that there’s something amiss with RP, something beyond merely copying. Just like the case with the budget cap, though McLaren were at the fore of discussions and public statements, a lot of other teams were in full support. They just couldn’t be vocal about it because of their status. I’d be surprised if McLaren and Williams aren’t happy behind the scenes that Renault are pursuing this. I also find it interesting that the comments were coming from Budkowski, who knows a thing or two about FIA rules. Every team has had something to say about the pink Mercedes, except Mercedes. Whether the FIA do something about it, is another matter, I won’t hold my breath. I just hope McLaren focus on their upgrade programme without expecting a helping hand from the FIA.

Agree... FIA are "cowards" and will never enforce their laws properly...

Just look at last year's fiasco with Ferrari PU...

One could say they enforced that Very well and didn't embarress Ferrari in doing so. Look at where Ferrari is this year.


This isn't foxnews where you can just stand up and say anything and then penalise people for it. You need to find proof. It took a while for RBR to come up and explain to the FIA what they thought Ferrari were doing. Then the FIA took that and came up wih an action plan on how they could monitor what RBR were accusing Ferrari of doing.

Ferrari were basically cheating when the sensors weren't watching.

[Carlen]

This car is super quick on low fuel, but it loses so much compared to the competition on the bigger weight. I am guessing it has something to do with the tire management, maybe they can't get enough heat into them, I am not sure. I have also spotted that they get a lot faster towards the end of the tire stint too. Like when the tires are about to run out, McLaren manages to get a lot more out of the car compared to the competition.

I hope they pinpoint what's causing this slump on race day because if they an translate their quali pace into sundays, then there are chances to take a lot of points if Albon has off-weekends (like Styria). It is also necessary in order to keep the Racing Points behind for the time being until some upgrades (which were originally planned for Silverstone if I am not mistaken) for the car. Hopefully they deliver some extra performance because at the moment the RP is faster on race trim and that's when the points are awarded.

I think the car's performance on high fuel is fine, doesn't get any faster compared to others on lower fuel.

That is normal, a driver goes through a tire management routine. When you finally get confirmed you're gonna change the tires in 2 to 5 laps, if you have free air you push as hard as your engine mod allows, no need to save the tires anymore.

The funny thing was that Sainz pitted when he did cause tires were wearing out and he was gonna get past by Ricardo.

I see no evedence thier car is any faster on low fuel.

I tend to agree... On Sunday, the pace of Carlos was fairly similar to Albon which seems to indicate that he was just managing the gap to him in order to have some slip stream but not be hurt by the turbulent air, which seems to be in the 2.5 seconds difference to be in the “sweet spot”.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202007 ... 3f97a0.jpg

I don’t think that Carlos first pit stop was due to tire wear, since Lando managed to get his tires to last 39 laps... It was more an strategical stop to prevent the undercut by RIC himself, RIC closed the gap to less than a second and beyond been under attack by RIC the main concern could have been an stop by RIC into Hard tires and been stuck behind him in the second stint.

Carlos pace in the second stint as we all know was hampered not only by losing in excess of 4 seconds, but also coming out in the middle of traffic and wearing the tires too early into the stint.


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From which site is this chart?

[SmallSoldier]

I think the car's performance on high fuel is fine, doesn't get any faster compared to others on lower fuel.

That is normal, a driver goes through a tire management routine. When you finally get confirmed you're gonna change the tires in 2 to 5 laps, if you have free air you push as hard as your engine mod allows, no need to save the tires anymore.

The funny thing was that Sainz pitted when he did cause tires were wearing out and he was gonna get past by Ricardo.

I see no evedence thier car is any faster on low fuel.

I tend to agree... On Sunday, the pace of Carlos was fairly similar to Albon which seems to indicate that he was just managing the gap to him in order to have some slip stream but not be hurt by the turbulent air, which seems to be in the 2.5 seconds difference to be in the “sweet spot”.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202007 ... 3f97a0.jpg

I don’t think that Carlos first pit stop was due to tire wear, since Lando managed to get his tires to last 39 laps... It was more an strategical stop to prevent the undercut by RIC himself, RIC closed the gap to less than a second and beyond been under attack by RIC the main concern could have been an stop by RIC into Hard tires and been stuck behind him in the second stint.

Carlos pace in the second stint as we all know was hampered not only by losing in excess of 4 seconds, but also coming out in the middle of traffic and wearing the tires too early into the stint.


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From which site is this chart?

You can find last race on this link:


https://f1report.ru/lapbylap/2020/shtir ... -ring.html

You can pick and chose which drivers to compare.


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[Andres125sx]

Enough about RP brake ducts, Mercedes, and Ferrari PU. This is McLaren thread!

[Andres125sx]

Any new about the upgrades for this weekend?

[FittingMechanics]

“We had our financial challenges during COVID, fortunately those are now behind us so we’ve got some sponsor announcements coming, we’ve raised our funding and [are] very excited to be in Formula 1 and in IndyCar racing and we’re very committed to both forms of motor racing long-term.”
https://the-race.com/indycar/mclaren-wo ... n-f1-cars/

Great stuff. IndyCar programme is probably minimal cost compared to F1 so makes a lot of sense to continue it. Arrow McLaren SP will be quite attractive for top talent (especially young) as it could mean you get a direct promotion path to F1. Not sure how super license points work though.

[diffuser]

I tend to agree... On Sunday, the pace of Carlos was fairly similar to Albon which seems to indicate that he was just managing the gap to him in order to have some slip stream but not be hurt by the turbulent air, which seems to be in the 2.5 seconds difference to be in the “sweet spot”.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202007 ... 3f97a0.jpg

I don’t think that Carlos first pit stop was due to tire wear, since Lando managed to get his tires to last 39 laps... It was more an strategical stop to prevent the undercut by RIC himself, RIC closed the gap to less than a second and beyond been under attack by RIC the main concern could have been an stop by RIC into Hard tires and been stuck behind him in the second stint.

Carlos pace in the second stint as we all know was hampered not only by losing in excess of 4 seconds, but also coming out in the middle of traffic and wearing the tires too early into the stint.


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From which site is this chart?

You can find last race on this link:


https://f1report.ru/lapbylap/2020/shtir ... -ring.html

You can pick and chose which drivers to compare.


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Yep, If you compare Ric to KVY you can see what Ric(or Renault) did.

Lap	RIC	        KVY
30	1:09:157	1:09:689
31	1:09:374	1:09:850
32	1:09:149	1:09:632
33	1:08:729	1:09:717
34	1:08:933	1:10:084
35	1:08:644	1:09:809
36	1:08:795	1:12:924
37	1:12:086	1:27:940
38	1:25:771	1:10:375
39	1:08:390	1:09:345

He increased the gap between Him and KVY. He then slotted in ahead of that train.

[mwillems]

“We had our financial challenges during COVID, fortunately those are now behind us so we’ve got some sponsor announcements coming, we’ve raised our funding and [are] very excited to be in Formula 1 and in IndyCar racing and we’re very committed to both forms of motor racing long-term.”
https://the-race.com/indycar/mclaren-wo ... n-f1-cars/

Great stuff. IndyCar programme is probably minimal cost compared to F1 so makes a lot of sense to continue it. Arrow McLaren SP will be quite attractive for top talent (especially young) as it could mean you get a direct promotion path to F1. Not sure how super license points work though.

Second only to F2 in points, winners of both get 40 points but then it differs.

Series Championship position
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th
FIA Formula 2 Championship 40 40 40 30 20 10 8 6 4 3
IndyCar Series1 40 30 20 10 8 6 4 3 2 1
FIA Formula 3 Championship 30 25 20 10 8 6 4 3 2 1

[Jackles-UK]

I think there are a few sponsors which have been brought on board or been convinced to expand their involvement due to running a full Indycar season and that’s a net gain for the team. Mission was involved in the 2019 Indycar fiasco but it appears they have expanded their support to the F1 team as well. The same can be said of Arrow, Automation Anywhere, BAT (with Velo/Vuse/Vype), Estrella and I’m sure others; I was pleasantly surprised when I watched the Indy race after Spielberg on Sunday to see just how many sponsors are shared between the two arms.

F1 has an incredible global reach but the US is a much more insular market with their biggest race series all home-based and, from a sponsorship point of view, having a single point to access both seems like a win-win for both parties.

[diffuser]

I think there are a few sponsors which have been brought on board or been convinced to expand their involvement due to running a full Indycar season and that’s a net gain for the team. Mission was involved in the 2019 Indycar fiasco but it appears they have expanded their support to the F1 team as well. The same can be said of Arrow, Automation Anywhere, BAT (with Velo/Vuse/Vype), Estrella and I’m sure others; I was pleasantly surprised when I watched the Indy race after Spielberg on Sunday to see just how many sponsors are shared between the two arms.

F1 has an incredible global reach but the US is a much more insular market with their biggest race series all home-based and, from a sponsorship point of view, having a single point to access both seems like a win-win for both parties.

Some of those races are kind of weird, like the inverse of F1.

[proteus]

“We had our financial challenges during COVID, fortunately those are now behind us so we’ve got some sponsor announcements coming, we’ve raised our funding and [are] very excited to be in Formula 1 and in IndyCar racing and we’re very committed to both forms of motor racing long-term.”
https://the-race.com/indycar/mclaren-wo ... n-f1-cars/

Great stuff. IndyCar programme is probably minimal cost compared to F1 so makes a lot of sense to continue it. Arrow McLaren SP will be quite attractive for top talent (especially young) as it could mean you get a direct promotion path to F1. Not sure how super license points work though.

Top Indycar teams have a budget at arround 15 million. Peanuts against F1.

[FittingMechanics]

Top Indycar teams have a budget at arround 15 million. Peanuts against F1.

And you can offset it partly with sponsors. I feel it makes perfect sense to help marketing in the USA. Sure, IndyCar is not hugely popular but it probably attracts more of a "car crowd" than most other things.

[Lucky]

[SmallSoldier]

For once I agree with an articule on The Race... Even when I’m super pumped by Mclaren’s performance in the first 2 races, I realize that we could easily be fighting in some races for get into Q3... The more Racing Point learns about their car, the stronger they should be in Qualifying and their car should work very well more often than not during the race (it is after all, a copy of a championship car)... On the other hand, Ferrari will get on top of their issues eventually and could be as soon as Silverstone and their pace on the first race in Austria showed that even with all their issues, they still have decent race pace.

But, Mclaren’s greatest success has been to take full advantage of the opportunities at the beginning of the season and the points they have build in the last 2 races could prove to be crucial by the end of the season in their fight for “Best of The Rest”... It will be really interesting to see how strong the team is in the next 2 tracks (Hungary and Silverstone), if they manage to keep punching above their weight for the next 3 races, we could have more hopes of a strong season since development should start showing what the pecking order actually looks like.


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[adrianjordan]

Enough about RP brake ducts, Mercedes, and Ferrari PU. This is McLaren thread!

Agreed. Mods, please can we have this discussion split into its own thread and not pollute several several team threads!