[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[caesar1]

Racing Point are gonna struggle next year since the FIA bans full copies. Also until we see what is happening with the internal of the car it remains to be seen if they are legal.

Personally all I see from these last years is Mclaren being the only legal team yet. I haven't heard a single controversy these last few years that they are fighting to go to the top. Meanwhile Mercedes had controversy after controversy like DAS, S Duct and a few others, Red Bull having their wing that bend over the limits under air but strangely not under weights, Ferrari having an illegal engine last year and now Racing Point copying everything from last years Mercedes.

So should we just hand the championships over to Mclaren because they haven't had a controversy? Pushing the rules to the limit has always been the name of the game and Mclaren has done it plenty of times in the past too with the F-duct, Spygate, second brake pedal etc.

[Darth-Piekus]

More like improve the rules. Make them more accurate. What is the point to create something only ro ban it next year?

[Emag]

More like improve the rules. Make them more accurate. What is the point to create something only ro ban it next year?

These sort of things are almost never intentionally. It's just teams beeing cheeky and smart to find loopholes on the rules. I personally find these things quite an exciting part of the sport actually.

[bauc]

Racing Point are gonna struggle next year since the FIA bans full copies. Also until we see what is happening with the internal of the car it remains to be seen if they are legal.

Personally all I see from these last years is Mclaren being the only legal team yet. I haven't heard a single controversy these last few years that they are fighting to go to the top. Meanwhile Mercedes had controversy after controversy like DAS, S Duct and a few others, Red Bull having their wing that bend over the limits under air but strangely not under weights, Ferrari having an illegal engine last year and now Racing Point copying everything from last years Mercedes.

So should we just hand the championships over to Mclaren because they haven't had a controversy? Pushing the rules to the limit has always been the name of the game and Mclaren has done it plenty of times in the past too with the F-duct, Spygate, second brake pedal etc.

The f-duct, second pedal ect were Mclaren design, they spent time, money and human recousres to come up with those ides/solutions and they were pushing the legality limits with it, same as what Mercedes has done with DAS. Racing Point made a straight copy from top to bottom, the design is not theirs. As for the spygate, it was a solo act from 1 engineer for which Mclaren paid huge price by not revealing rightaway to the FIA what they found and they were stupid enough to use the data at the end which resulted with the investigation. Its not like Ron sent Make to meet with Stepney ''behind enemy lines'', there is fundamental difference here.

[Darth-Piekus]

We will see. If Racing Point found another loophole then I'm afraid next year we are gonna have a full roster of Mercedes 2020 Championship cars.

Personally I disagree with the whole Spygate. To me it was more like a set up to damage Mclaren and Ron Dennis by the FIA or as they were called back then the Ferrari International Assistance. That included setting up Hamilton to lose the championship that year by any means nessesary. In their investigations on the car they never found anything from Ferrari that year.

[Wynters]

Sorry but that´s far from accurate. When Sainz went out of the pit at lap 33, cars and gaps in front of him were:

Grosjean +1.5
Kimi +2.5 (+4)
Giovinazzi +1.4 (+5.4)
Kvyat +1.6 (+7.0)

That's fair. I was stupidly using the end of lap gaps. Thank you for pointing it out and my apologies.

I think your conclusion feeds into the idea that he was at the end of his tyre life in stint 1 then? As even with a world-record pitstop his race is over. Given how far up the grid Sainz started, in hindsight would the medium have been the better call? He might lose places to Bottas and Albon off the start, but that would actually benefit his race as he wouldn't have to damage his tyres fighting them. For example, Ricciardo was able to clear the post-pitstop pack that compromised Sainz.

As explained by others, if you´re forced to pass traffic with brand new tires wich you can´t warm up progresively, those tires can easily be done. But if you don´t then your race is done anycase, so coming out of pits in traffic is a huge problem, it´s not just the time you loose, it´s the stress you put on the tires at the worst possible moment, when you should be careful with them

Yes. But it's a choice (often made by the team rather than the driver). You choose to lose time behind slower cars or you chose to burn your tyres.

If Sainz had spent the first six laps not attempting to pass anyone but bringing his tyres up to temperature, he would've been roughly 5.5 seconds further back when Perez exited the pits (I think Sainz was 1.8 to Kimi when Perez came out and Kimi had been 3.5 to Grosjean the had pitted the previous lap). I'm assuming Sainz would cruise at least a second closer to Kimi in that clear air when Grosjean pitted.

Were those 5.5 seconds he gained worth it, knowing that all those cars had to pit in the next few laps? For context, Norris emerged c.8.5 seconds behind Sainz.

[Darth-Piekus]

In less than an hour we will go for Qualifications and see where we really stand with everything we got. So far the car delivers results on low fuel and usually at qualifications. Let's see if we can make it three in a row.

[101FlyingDutchman]

The interesting sector for me is s2 which is the “slowest” section of the track. Lando’s fp3 time was extremely encouraging. It was as quick as the RP/Ferrari and RB. Looks like the low speed mechanical grip is lots better. Not enough data until after qualifying but it looks better

[SmallSoldier]

We’ve looked sharper once the quali sims have been done in FP3, certainly Norris’ car anyway. Carlos seems to still be trying to find his sweet spot for this track.

Di Resta impressed with our cars handling in comparison to the Red Bull, although noted that doesn’t mean it’s got more downforce but just behaves as it should.

Very close between Ferrari, McLaren, Renault and Lance Stroll. I think Perez might just be a couple of tenths too far up the road.

It seems better now.

I wonder if we are slower in FP1 and FP2 because we run with a higher fuel load typically, which is when we are slowest compared to others in the race.

Also engine modes... Remember that they are still using the race engine during practice, therefore are probably been careful about it (besides stressing it a bit during the last couple of races for the last laps fireworks)... Between Fuel Loads and Engine Modes, it can make a big difference in practice.


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[SmallSoldier]

Car looks really well balanced, just lacking that raw speed. Looks like it could be a scrap over the lower end points this weekend though. Hoping for some wet conditions in qually and race, that's McLaren's best chance at some big points again it seems.

Getting to Q3 should be the target today, Qualy will be dry, but a wet race would be better for the team as you said


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[SmallSoldier]

Lando looks awesome in S2 And S3. Plenty of lap time still to find. Looking at our S1 time I still think MCL run the Renault at a comparatively low power setting. I think Scenario 5 was mentioned on team radio.
Fingers crossed but trend seems to continue that the car looks more lively on lower fuel runs

Agreed! The challenge though is that most teams are also probably running conservative modes during FP3... But, the car seems to be behaving really good on this track and driver confidence can also give you a tenth or two.


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[Darth-Piekus]

First target is to enter Q3 with both cars and then in Q3 try to be best from the rest after Mercedes and Red Bull.

[101FlyingDutchman]

It’s quite apparent that the Merc engine has been improved massively. Can’t wait to have that in the back next year

[Darth-Piekus]

I wonder how much will that Mercedes Engine give us next year and I wonder if we will be able to use any loophope when we create a new chassis for the Mercedes Engine to gain an aerodynamic advantage. We will be the only team able to remake our chassis for a new engine.

[Darth-Piekus]

It's clear though that Racing Point seem to be faster on Hungaroring till now but I would like to wait for Q3 and Scenario 7.