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That is a question that RedBull and Ferrari have been trying to find an answer for 6 years now and they haven't succeeded. It is going to be tough that's for sure but the new regulations coming on 2022 are supposed to make it somewhat easier.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑18 Jul 2020, 19:44What does Mclaren need to do in order to reach Mercedes and be a Championship Winning Car?
That’s why Mclaren keeps talking about 2023-2024 to come back to the front... The top 3 will have a heads start (they already started on the 2022 car and have the resources to spare a significant part of their team to research and develop their cars for the new regulations)... But, between the budget cap and the new regulations, there is a good chance that Mclaren could find a way to get into the top, if we also consider that now they are getting a top PU (with the same spec as the works team) and that by then, we will probably have not a more mature driver in Norris, but hopefully also Dani RIC or someone better than him in the other car, there is a chance that could mix it up at the top of the grid.Emag wrote:That is a question that RedBull and Ferrari have been trying to find an answer for 6 years now and they haven't succeeded. It is going to be tough that's for sure but the new regulations coming on 2022 are supposed to make it somewhat easier.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑18 Jul 2020, 19:44What does Mclaren need to do in order to reach Mercedes and be a Championship Winning Car?
They are second, but tomorrow that second will become 3rd or even 4th. I would love to see them second whole season, but i need to be realistic.
Way too early for determining positions below P1
Let’s see how the races develop first... No one thought we were going to get a podium this season and the team managed to pull one off in the first race... A lot to play for in the championship and just as we could get lucky in the following races, it could also go the other way... At least, so far they are mixing it with the top of midfield and that’s encouragingproteus wrote:They are second, but tomorrow that second will become 3rd or even 4th. I would love to see them second whole season, but i need to be realistic.
Exactly. After years having very little to enjoy I see no reason to wish away the season until Mclaren are where you believe they should be to be realistic. Too easy not to take a moment to enjoy the progress and the current P2 is the reward. Also P2 is 100% realistic as it is actually the current positionSmallSoldier wrote: ↑19 Jul 2020, 00:06Let’s see how the races develop first... No one thought we were going to get a podium this season and the team managed to pull one off in the first race... A lot to play for in the championship and just as we could get lucky in the following races, it could also go the other way... At least, so far they are mixing it with the top of midfield and that’s encouragingproteus wrote:They are second, but tomorrow that second will become 3rd or even 4th. I would love to see them second whole season, but i need to be realistic.
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1 second to who exactly? Do you expect McLaren to fight Merc for the championship this year?M840TR wrote: ↑19 Jul 2020, 00:29I think they’ve operationally out-performed rivals but reality is starting to catch up and Lando even admitted it as much: Austria is a unique track that suited them and the Racing points were still miles faster. At best they matched the Renaults and Ferraris. A 1 sec gap in quali alone is not something you can recover mid-season in ordinary circumstances. Let’s see how the car develops but it’s a tough fight ahead.
Was gonna say listen to 840TR, he is wise. After rereading the entry, I agree with EMag, that 1 second comment is out of left field.Emag wrote: ↑19 Jul 2020, 01:011 second to who exactly? Do you expect McLaren to fight Merc for the championship this year?M840TR wrote: ↑19 Jul 2020, 00:29I think they’ve operationally out-performed rivals but reality is starting to catch up and Lando even admitted it as much: Austria is a unique track that suited them and the Racing points were still miles faster. At best they matched the Renaults and Ferraris. A 1 sec gap in quali alone is not something you can recover mid-season in ordinary circumstances. Let’s see how the car develops but it’s a tough fight ahead.
Their toughest rival are RP, and they were just over 0.5 ahead on a track where they seemingly couldn't set the car up right.
You know there were tracks last year where McLaren were 0.5 ahead of Renault, but they were much closer by the end of the championship.
I won't say that they will close the gap to RP with upgrades, but it is also not impossible.
I don't know that to be true. McLaren had to let some people go, RP didn't. Even then, there probably isn't a huge difference between the two. RP have a good team over there, no guarantee the upgrades McLaren bring will out perform RPs.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑19 Jul 2020, 01:11Mclaren has more resources than RP, larger budger, bigger R&D department, better aerodynamists, better drivers and one of the fastest development in F1 if not the best. Racing Point is in reality only 0.3 seconds in front on a car that is probably maxed out in development while ours is at 0% development. We have the capabilities to close that gap and surpass it by the first large upgrade package we bring in Silverstone not to mention the fact that RP may as well be deemed illegal so I wouldn't call the final positions and who is faster just yet.