[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[diffuser]

Zak Brown. The right man. Who would have thought an american would resolve the problem of this team.

He started off pretty bad if you ask me, but wisely he made some changes again and got Andreas Seidl. I think a big portion of this success is Seidel. Level headed, practical and not overlg political.

I said it already and say it again. Peter Prodromu is overated. Car was slow as hell even with the Renault Engine in 2018. I think James Key did an amazing job to tidy things up.

You're so wrong it isn't funny.

Proof is out there. Last year's car had ZERO to do with those two very highly qualified gentlemen.yet the car was most excellent. Cudos to everyone that was there at McLaren for correcting the aero issue. They did it without those 2 plus a HU F*CKING Mungus shout out to Pat Fry.

[Chicane]

Zak Brown is the man who had the guts to take the tough decision of dropping Honda and putting Mclaren on a path of recovery. Zak has ensured Mclaren has more than recouped the Honda money by bringing in plenty of sponsors. The car is literally running out of space now. Mclaren had no takers as far as sponsors were concerned with Mclaren trundling at the back of the grid with an unreliable and impotent engine.

2019 car had nothing to do with Seidl or Key. It was built by the reorganized and restructured team headed by Fry and Stella. Who put that team in place? That was Zak Brown.

Zak Brown has brought in a positive mindset and a renewed vigor to Mclaren. The team atmosphere is evidence to that.

Zak Brown has ensured Mclaren is making the headlines f on both mainstream media and social media for the right reasons now.

Zak Brown brought in a young and dynamic pairing by signing Norris and Sainz. Now he has done even better by bringing in highly rated and proven race winner in Daniel Ricciardo.

Zak signed up Seidl and Key who are highly talented and rated. It is Zak Brown who has empowered them and given them the freedom to their job. I am a huge fan of both Seidl and Key but who recruited them? Yes Zak Brown.

Some people cannot digest the fact that Mclaren have gone on to only get better and improve ever since they ditched Honda. When Mclaren were with Honda there was constant negativity directed towards Mclaren despite them having to put up engines failing right left and center. Honda are better now but Mclaren could not wait forever as that would have certainly sealed their obituary. It Was Zak Brown who realized that success breeds more success so he chose to put the team on a path of success by taking tough decisions in the interest of the team.

Now i saved the best for the last. Zak has got the Mercedes deal which is by far the best engine on the grid.

[PlatinumZealot]

You Zack Brown worshippers! Bring back Uncle Ron so we can start winning again!

[diffuser]

Pretty certain nothing will help McLaren before 2022.

We'll see 2 more years of Mercedes domination. Pretty certain Ferrari will switch their focus to 2022 soon. Renault already said they will.

[mclaren111]

You Zack Brown worshippers! Bring back Uncle Ron so we can start winning again!

Big fan of Ron but he is the main reason Mclaren are in Sh*t... His Ego got the better of him...

Zak is leading Mclaren very well by putting the right people in the right jobs... That's what good leaders do...

[mclaren111]

Zak Brown. The right man. Who would have thought an american would resolve the problem of this team.

He started off pretty bad if you ask me, but wisely he made some changes again and got Andreas Seidl. I think a big portion of this success is Seidel. Level headed, practical and not overlg political.

I said it already and say it again. Peter Prodromu is overated. Car was slow as hell even with the Renault Engine in 2018. I think James Key did an amazing job to tidy things up.

You're so wrong it isn't funny.

Proof is out there. Last year's car had ZERO to do with those two very highly qualified gentlemen.yet the car was most excellent. Cudos to everyone that was there at McLaren for correcting the aero issue. They did it without those 2 plus a HU F*CKING Mungus shout out to Pat Fry.

Peter Prod is great... He doesn't work in a vacuum... Matt Morris was the chassis guy that f*cked up everything...

Agree that Pat Fry did a great job in sorting the chassis side...

Now Key, Peter Prod & Stella seems to work well together as a Design Team...

[ScottR267]

Zak Brown is the man who had the guts to take the tough decision of dropping Honda and putting Mclaren on a path of recovery. Zak has ensured Mclaren has more than recouped the Honda money by bringing in plenty of sponsors. The car is literally running out of space now. Mclaren had no takers as far as sponsors were concerned with Mclaren trundling at the back of the grid with an unreliable and impotent engine.

2019 car had nothing to do with Seidl or Key. It was built by the reorganized and restructured team headed by Fry and Stella. Who put that team in place? That was Zak Brown.

Zak Brown has brought in a positive mindset and a renewed vigor to Mclaren. The team atmosphere is evidence to that.

Zak Brown has ensured Mclaren is making the headlines f on both mainstream media and social media for the right reasons now.

Zak Brown brought in a young and dynamic pairing by signing Norris and Sainz. Now he has done even better by bringing in highly rated and proven race winner in Daniel Ricciardo.

Zak signed up Seidl and Key who are highly talented and rated. It is Zak Brown who has empowered them and given them the freedom to their job. I am a huge fan of both Seidl and Key but who recruited them? Yes Zak Brown.

Some people cannot digest the fact that Mclaren have gone on to only get better and improve ever since they ditched Honda. When Mclaren were with Honda there was constant negativity directed towards Mclaren despite them having to put up engines failing right left and center. Honda are better now but Mclaren could not wait forever as that would have certainly sealed their obituary. It Was Zak Brown who realized that success breeds more success so he chose to put the team on a path of success by taking tough decisions in the interest of the team.

Now i saved the best for the last. Zak has got the Mercedes deal which is by far the best engine on the grid.

Couldn’t agree with the above more in fairness. I never quite understand why Zak gets the bashing he does, seems very unjustified to me? He come in at McLaren during one of, if not the worst periods in McLaren’s history and yet now look where the team is? Miles ahead of where they were. Yes I accept we are still some distance from the winning races and ultimately championships but Rome wasn’t build in a day. All recent dominating teams including Ferrari and Mercedes all took time to build their cars and teams ready for that.

The biggest credit has to go to Zak for changing the attitude and morale or the team and MTC. If you’re led to believe the rumours of how it was at MTC when Ron was in charge, you’d imagine many people were treading on egg shells or at least felt uneasy. Couple that with the hiring or good key personnel and a high number or sponsors, I think he deserves big credit.

[Big Tea]

You Zack Brown worshippers! Bring back Uncle Ron so we can start winning again!

Big fan of Ron but he is the main reason Mclaren are in Sh*t... His Ego got the better of him...

Zak is leading Mclaren very well by putting the right people in the right jobs... That's what good leaders do...

Ron Dennis was at one time all that was good at Mclaren, but he (or his methods) were irreplaceable and no system was left in place at his departure. It was like taking a lead singer out of a band who was also composer, lyrics writer and keyboards who happened to drive the van too.

[Jolle]

I always thought of Ron Dennis as a good operational manager, the system where McLaren was working in was a perfect suit for that. All of the commercial work was done first by PMI and later by Mercedes. When they left at the end of 2008, the decline of McLaren started. Zak Brown first tried/had to replace this COO function of Ron Dennis and that didn't suit him. I think finally the right people are getting on the right places. Zak Brown is much more a commercial director and put in place a group of people who replaced Ron Dennis back at the factory.

[ScottR267]

Whilst I agree Ron was a staple for the team and did a lot of good, the problem was he did not evolve with the times. If you’re a football (soccer) fan it reminds me of Arsene Wenger when he came to Arsenal in that he was someone who dramatically changed the way the sport was heading/directed however times move on and yet Ron did not evolve with those times.

His stubbornness especially over his perceived ‘rate card’ for a sponsorship with the team summed that up over his latter years with the cars very empty of any sponsors! Rumours were Johnnie Walker offered somewhere between 40-45 million a season as title sponsor yet he wanted 50 after Vodafone’s departure, despite this being in 2013 and not too long after the financial crisis that a lot of companies were still on tight purse strings!

[diffuser]

I've seen this now about 4 times at least...PZ comes in and says some off the cuff comment about bringing back Ron Dennis. The chatter about it then go on for pages and it's not even just Ron Dennis. It like PZ gets paid to chat about dead subjects.

Realistically the odds of Ron coming back are really long and we've beaten the subject to death at least 4 times over. I wish PZ would stop reviving it.

[Big Tea]

I've seen this now about 4 times at least...PZ comes in and says some off the cuff comment about bringing back Ron Dennis. The chatter about it then go on for pages and it's not even just Ron Dennis. It like PZ gets paid to chat about dead subjects.

Realistically the odds of Ron coming back are really long and we've beaten the subject to death at least 4 times over. I wish PZ would stop reviving it.

I was one of the main culprates sorry, but why I went there is because I think the way the team was left when Zak inherited it was one hel of a job because there was no existing structure to management for him to follow.

Ron ran it Ron'a way, and that was that. No one else could have done it and no one brought in could have done it.
Zak not only had to step into that mess, but also clear up the mess others had made trying to run it interim.

It was not a Ron was God bring back Ron post although I was a big fan of Ron

[Jolle]

Whilst I agree Ron was a staple for the team and did a lot of good, the problem was he did not evolve with the times. If you’re a football (soccer) fan it reminds me of Arsene Wenger when he came to Arsenal in that he was someone who dramatically changed the way the sport was heading/directed however times move on and yet Ron did not evolve with those times.

His stubbornness especially over his perceived ‘rate card’ for a sponsorship with the team summed that up over his latter years with the cars very empty of any sponsors! Rumours were Johnnie Walker offered somewhere between 40-45 million a season as title sponsor yet he wanted 50 after Vodafone’s departure, despite this being in 2013 and not too long after the financial crisis that a lot of companies were still on tight purse strings!

Stubbornness or grandeur? The Johnny Walker deal was probably the first deal of this magnitude he had to negotiate in his career at McLaren.

[JordanMugen]

Realistically the odds of Ron coming back are really long and we've beaten the subject to death at least 4 times over. I wish PZ would stop reviving it.

If Dennis would return to Formula One with a revived Project Four team that would great... The more teams on the F1 grid the better.

However, with respect to McLaren, Dennis seems irrelevant, especially given Brown (or someone else?) deliberately decided to drop the MP4 chassis name and replace it with MCL.

Brown has done a great job of putting brands on the side of the race car, even if it has taken PMI arch-rival BAT to come in and buy the space and then onsell it.. a far cry from "Marlboro Project Four".

Personally, I am not sure Key is a clear improvement on Fry given the superb performance of Fry's 2019 McLaren, but McLaren were determined that Key and not Fry would be the technical director... so I dunno.

PS. Barnard's McLaren MP4/1... what a car!

[JordanMugen]

Zak Brown is the man who had the guts to take the tough decision of dropping Honda and putting Mclaren on a path of recovery.

The works Honda supply moving to Red Bull and AlphaTauri was certainly for the best with respect to both Red Bull and Honda, so that should have always happened...

However, I think McLaren would be doing just as well now with Honda customer engines as with their Renault customer engines. Red Bull demonstrate clear that the Honda is a capable unit (a record of 3 wins and 13 podiums shows the quality of the Honda units, with Toro Rosso-Honda's 2 podiums matching the podium score of McLaren-Renault), and Honda I'm sure would offer a reasonably priced customer power unit supply on good terms.

As Toro Rosso found out, with Renault customer supplies you are likely to end up with a amalgamation of refurbished second-hand bits near the end of a season. By contrast, that seems unlikely with Honda.