Interesting. I can't the footage to comment (I'm guessing it's on the App, which I don't have), which is a shame as it might show some useful further details. I wonder if he was told to create a gap?
Why didn't Renault take the same approach by purchasing gearbox and suspension from McLaren (I had previously suggested the opposite, but McLaren had no interest in buying from Renault, so seems like it would have to be Renault buying from McLaren just like Force India used to) and sharing a wind tunnel -- it would be an important efficiency gain which would have improved economies of scale at both teams!!
JordanMugen wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 19:24Why didn't Renault take the same approach by purchasing gearbox and suspension from McLaren (I had previously suggested the opposite, but McLaren had no interest in buying from Renault, so seems like it would have to be Renault buying from McLaren just like Force India used to) and sharing a wind tunnel -- it would be an important efficiency gain which would have improved economies of scale at both teams!!
Worse Renault let McLaren defect to Mercedes-Benz, instead of offering say Lada or Dacia sponsorship to keep McLaren in the fold! A McLaren-Dacia racing car would do wonders to enhance the already considerable prestige of the Dacia brand.
Almost if the marraige between McLaren and Renault was only one of convenience, rather than one based on mutual admiration of technical excellence.
JordanMugen wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 19:18It's hard to get excited about this RS20, it seems to be the fifth or sixth fastest car at best despite all the improvements over the RS19.
As predicted, Renault only the 6th fastest car in qualifying, behind Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, Racing Point and McLaren.
Actually, the RS20 is an step forward compared to the RS19 and in terms of the performance they have cut the gap to the likes of Red Bull and Ferrari... Obviously not enough to be fighting against Red Bull in equal terms, but the gap was too big to be covered in just one winter... In regards to been behind Racing Point, well, we all know that car has the potential of the W10, the fact that they are closer to the RP W10 than they were to the Merc W10 also shows that they are making progress year on year... Racing Point’s performance wasn’t on anyone’s calculations before testing this year.JordanMugen wrote:JordanMugen wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 19:18It's hard to get excited about this RS20, it seems to be the fifth or sixth fastest car at best despite all the improvements over the RS19.As predicted, Renault only the 6th fastest car in qualifying, behind Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, Racing Point and McLaren.
A far cry from the plan to score podiums with an improving car which Mr. Ricciardo signed up for.
Even with the flaws of the RS19 fixed, the RS20 is just not exceptional in any area. It's most disappointing!
Not really.JordanMugen wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 19:18As predicted, Renault only the 6th fastest car in qualifying, behind Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, Racing Point and McLaren.
A far cry from the plan to score podiums with an improving car which Mr. Ricciardo signed up for.
Even with the flaws of the RS19 fixed, the RS20 is just not exceptional in any area. It's most disappointing!
Beat Mclaren “quiet easily”... Not really, they beat Mclaren because of Mclaren own issues/mistakes, not based on pace... Sainz pitstop delay due to traffic and Norris’ subpar start of the race compromised the whole race.Blackout wrote:Not really.JordanMugen wrote: ↑31 Jul 2020, 19:18As predicted, Renault only the 6th fastest car in qualifying, behind Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, Racing Point and McLaren.
A far cry from the plan to score podiums with an improving car which Mr. Ricciardo signed up for.
Even with the flaws of the RS19 fixed, the RS20 is just not exceptional in any area. It's most disappointing!
In Hungary, it was p6 as expected in Qualy, but it was better than that in the race. (they beat MCL quite easily)
In Austria1, it couldnt show it's true pace in Q3 (due to the yellow flag)*
*But it's one of the cars that improved the most in one lap pace compared to 2019. In Austria it made the second best improvement after RP, and in Hungary it improved slightly more than MCL.
And Austria and Hungary were some of the worst tracks for the RS.19. But no Enstone-made car was as 'fast' as the RS.20 in Spielberg in the race since... since spielberg is back in the calendar.
So the new aero is working and this car is definitely (much) better.
Sadly it only improved by 2 tenths today (compared to 2019) while Mcl found 4 tenths.
The Ferrari is the surprise.
MCL improving more than Renault? not a surprise. That's what I predicted because MCL built a fully new car, trying to gain in every area, unlike Renault who carried over many old parts and concepts and made compromises.
So you shouldn't expect miracles, the car is based on the 2018-2019 chassis because the team is focussing on 2022.
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Podiums? I dont think they promised podiums to the drivers. Only the drivers dreamed about podiums and they'll need luck for that.
You probably should watch the race again.... RIC didn’t “outpaced” Sainz... Sainz matched RIC’s times after the problems on the first pitstops... The only reason why RIC created a gap with Sainz is because his second pitstop placed him behind both Magnusen and Leclerc’s and Sainz lost a lot of time making the pass on LeclercBlackout wrote:Maybe. But Renault also had a very shitty strategy + bad luck in that race. And Ocon did not really represent the car's true pace there.
RIC was controlling his pace and he outpaced Sainz whenever he wanted.
And dint Ocon undercut Norris thanks to a better pace?