Red Bull Racing's technical chief Adrian Newey has admitted to concern that the new lower nose regulations introduced in Formula One may have uninentionally made driver safety worse.
Torque, as in peak torque, wont have changed as these engines produce peak torque at around 16,000rpm. Peak power, however has dropped somewhere in the region of 25BHP.mx_tifosi wrote:About how much hp and torque did the engines lose with the reducion of 1,000rpm?
Thanks in advance.
Think that 25 will come back with lube and other allowable changes?Scotracer wrote:Torque, as in peak torque, wont have changed as these engines produce peak torque at around 16,000rpm. Peak power, however has dropped somewhere in the region of 25BHP.mx_tifosi wrote:About how much hp and torque did the engines lose with the reducion of 1,000rpm?
Thanks in advance.
I doubt it. These engines produce more power by revving the crap out of themselves...and as you get closer to the peak torque value you are no longer trying to extend the torque curve, you are trying to increase peak torque - not really possible with current regulations.Conceptual wrote:Think that 25 will come back with lube and other allowable changes?Scotracer wrote:Torque, as in peak torque, wont have changed as these engines produce peak torque at around 16,000rpm. Peak power, however has dropped somewhere in the region of 25BHP.mx_tifosi wrote:About how much hp and torque did the engines lose with the reducion of 1,000rpm?
Thanks in advance.
I would almost say to reduce the revs 1k every year until 2012... In 2011, it will be a 3 engine season, and we can all watch GP2 for our fix...
Out of ignorance, how can you do that? Don't you need a larger engine or a another fuel? Both are fixed by regulations. Is there any other way?Fil wrote:wouldn't you try to extend the torque curve further down into the lower rev range? same with Hp?
this would allow you to make use of a wider rev range, and ideally greater downforce levels for less acceleration/top speed losses.
Well peak torque is purely the point where the engine has the greatest efficiency so. The V10s of the previous generation produced more power by shifting this peak further and further up the rev-range (more advanced fluid dynamics analysis and low-friction components and lubricants, etc). This was fine whilst revs were unrestrained. You can, however move that point back further down if you wish by basically reverse-engineering or just manipulating your components to work at a specific rpm or air-flow rate. As Fil said you can do some of that purely electronically if you wish.Ciro Pabón wrote:Out of ignorance, how can you do that? Don't you need a larger engine or a another fuel? Both are fixed by regulations. Is there any other way?Fil wrote:wouldn't you try to extend the torque curve further down into the lower rev range? same with Hp?
this would allow you to make use of a wider rev range, and ideally greater downforce levels for less acceleration/top speed losses.
2010 Formula One Regulations
Budgets
As an alternative to running under the existing rules, which are to remain stable until 2012, all teams will have the option to compete with cars built and operated within a stringent cost cap.
The cost cap is £30m (currently approximately €33 or $42m). This figure will cover all expenditure of any kind. Anything subsidised or supplied free will be deemed to have cost its full commercial value and rigorous auditing procedures will apply.
To enable these cars to compete with those from teams which are not subject to cost constraints, the cost-capped cars will be allowed greater technical freedom.
The principal technical freedoms allowed are as follows:
1. A more aerodynamically efficient (but standard) under body.
2. Movable wings.
3. An engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze.
The FIA has the right to adjust elements of these freedoms to ensure that the cost-capped cars have neither an advantage nor a disadvantage when compared to cars running to the existing rules.
I think it is 30 mil Euro, about 42 mil US... still too low though... or maybe just right for some new teams to come in and refill the grid and feel like they even have the slightest chance of being seen on TV.Scotracer wrote:I've always wanted a budget cap but 30mil is FAR too low in my opinion. Isn't the "test cap" 175mil Euros this year?
