maybe they forgot to turn off the dynos
This is inaccurate actually. The factories were open with a skeleton staff, but they were working on other projects than F1 (eg. project pitlane)
Why not? Although they won't have access to all tools and facilities, there still a lot of work that you can do out of the factory.Mudflap wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 15:02All UK based team factories have been closed throughout April and May. To claim they have made progress in that period is tosh.HPD wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 14:48──Did the Verstappen power unit (PU) come into trouble?
── During the off period from March to July, Mercedes proceeded with further development. Does that mean that the gap has opened up?
Tanabe TD: That's right.
--- Power unit and body?
Tanabe TD: I don't know the proportion, but I think they are both. Working days and growth allowances are simply correlated. "If you work this much for one day, you will make so much progress." That is the normal evolution. Sometimes we fail, but in that case we also recover desperately, so if we cross a certain line we will progress. No teams have been resting since the factory was completely shut down. While the development inclination was maintained for some reason, the inclination of Mercedes was higher than that of us. For that reason, the difference that was originally there opened up. That's what it is.
Or they just continued to have the FE team do the work they couldn't.
yes you have said. Please explain us what mercedes gained with FE ?holeindalip wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 21:30I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, merc was running turned down last year for cooling issues, now those are solved, plus over the winter gains, formula e gains, fuel gains since they didn’t have any in 2019 and trying to hit the Ferrari benchmark in power and almost burning everyone in the factories out.... and you end up with this.....
He never once mentioned Formula E until I brought it up in this thread.etusch wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 21:49yes you have said. Please explain us what mercedes gained with FE ?holeindalip wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 21:30I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, merc was running turned down last year for cooling issues, now those are solved, plus over the winter gains, formula e gains, fuel gains since they didn’t have any in 2019 and trying to hit the Ferrari benchmark in power and almost burning everyone in the factories out.... and you end up with this.....
Probably electrical efficiency since that’s what that series is based on????etusch wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 21:49yes you have said. Please explain us what mercedes gained with FE ?holeindalip wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 21:30I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, merc was running turned down last year for cooling issues, now those are solved, plus over the winter gains, formula e gains, fuel gains since they didn’t have any in 2019 and trying to hit the Ferrari benchmark in power and almost burning everyone in the factories out.... and you end up with this.....
Do you have any insights to tell us? I wonder how they do it very much.holeindalip wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 02:32Probably electrical efficiency since that’s what that series is based on????etusch wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 21:49yes you have said. Please explain us what mercedes gained with FE ?holeindalip wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 21:30I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, merc was running turned down last year for cooling issues, now those are solved, plus over the winter gains, formula e gains, fuel gains since they didn’t have any in 2019 and trying to hit the Ferrari benchmark in power and almost burning everyone in the factories out.... and you end up with this.....
etusch wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 08:13Do you have any insights to tell us? I wonder how they do it very much.holeindalip wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 02:32Probably electrical efficiency since that’s what that series is based on????
Ok. Firstly, I think, we have to consider that this is an engineering show and they, off course, will say we are competing at FE too.GhostF1 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 08:47etusch wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 08:13Do you have any insights to tell us? I wonder how they do it very much.holeindalip wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 02:32
Probably electrical efficiency since that’s what that series is based on????
Probably read this. Cowell thinks they've made gains from their FE program
https://insideracing.com/index.php/form ... -formula-e
Thanks for that. there was an item in there I had never considered before.GhostF1 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 08:47etusch wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 08:13Do you have any insights to tell us? I wonder how they do it very much.holeindalip wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 02:32
Probably electrical efficiency since that’s what that series is based on????
Probably read this. Cowell thinks they've made gains from their FE program
https://insideracing.com/index.php/form ... -formula-e
You are correct, even HPP were doing breathing aids and such.Craigy wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 17:25This is inaccurate actually. The factories were open with a skeleton staff, but they were working on other projects than F1 (eg. project pitlane)
There are photos from various F1 factories of staff in during that time. eg. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... P52fp.html
Teams involved:
*Aston Martin Red Bull Racing,
BWT Racing Point F1 Team,
Haas F1 Team,
McLaren F1 Team,
Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team,
Renault DP World F1 Team,
ROKiT Williams Racing
If I'm not mistaken, that's actually all the UK based teams. The only others are Alpha Tauri and Ferrari in Italy an Alfa Romeo in Switzerland, and I know for a fact that Ferrari had a similar thing going on (people in the factory working on covid things).
RBR have this info on it, including a photo of a renault staffer in the RBR machine room hall: https://www.redbull.com/int-en/redbullr ... ventilator
What are you on about? Do you know what ERS is ?etusch wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 10:39Ok. Firstly, I think, we have to consider that this is an engineering show and they, off course, will say we are competing at FE too.GhostF1 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 08:47
Probably read this. Cowell thinks they've made gains from their FE program
https://insideracing.com/index.php/form ... -formula-e
In FE there are many things standart or producing by different manufacturers. For example batteries comes from mclaren at.
If I am not wrong Mercedes is new at Fe but working with F1 pu for years. And they immidiatly need experiance from FE department? It is a bit strange. Ok maybe they hired experienced guys there. But Fe is full electric and has zero relation with ers. I accept that there can be something to learn from FE. But I don't think there is much for F1. When so much things are standart, manufacturers ( if we can say so for FE) are there for being there generally.
I think you are focused on electric motor part and me to relation of them. FE has not a system working like that way and their energy recuparation also different from formula 1. One's main power is ice other's e.m.Mudflap wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 11:34What are you on about? Do you know what ERS is ?etusch wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 10:39Ok. Firstly, I think, we have to consider that this is an engineering show and they, off course, will say we are competing at FE too.GhostF1 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 08:47
Probably read this. Cowell thinks they've made gains from their FE program
https://insideracing.com/index.php/form ... -formula-e
In FE there are many things standart or producing by different manufacturers. For example batteries comes from mclaren at.
If I am not wrong Mercedes is new at Fe but working with F1 pu for years. And they immidiatly need experiance from FE department? It is a bit strange. Ok maybe they hired experienced guys there. But Fe is full electric and has zero relation with ers. I accept that there can be something to learn from FE. But I don't think there is much for F1. When so much things are standart, manufacturers ( if we can say so for FE) are there for being there generally.