Bernie and Max Mosely

[Callum]

Do you think they have made the sport, as a whole better or worse im there time?

Personally, i think it is time for Bernie to move on, i dont like it to see that he is turning formula one towards all these new tracks far away where the only interest is to make money! ( i doubt there will be a Brittish GP in a couple of years) And the whole medal thing... it might make the first three drivers fight for position but what about the other 17 drivers?!? it will make the overall spectacle worse, not better. Sometimes it is the fights that are going on at the back of the pack that are the most exciting.

Anyhoo, i shall stop ranting, i just wonderd what others thought?

[i70q7m7ghw]

Indeed, sometimes you get some great scraps over the last points positions. Sato @ Canada one year was actually overtook Alonso after a trilling battle.

Max needs to leave the sport as he promised. He's lost all credibility over the whole "non-nazi" orgy thing. He kept deny things that were obviously true, the only thing that was cleared was the whole nazi theme thing. He should have quit years ago when he actually did, but he couldn't even do that right because he changed his mind! A new younger mind needs to come in to steer F1 in a better direction. I don't know what that direction is which is why I'm not applying for Max's job. Maybe someone who's alot more involved with the sport, someone who can understand things on a more technical level but also understand the politics of F1...

Bernie just needs to hurry up and snuff it already. I'm sorry but the guy is a complete twit. He may have been good for the sport 5-10 years ago but now he's just become obessed with making money for no-one else but himself. They way profits etc. are distrubuted is a joke! He goes on about how the drivers don't deserve what they get paid... What about all the money you make Bernie!? Do you risk your life fighting wheel-to-wheel at speeds in excess of 150MPH?? No.

... aaaahhhhhh that felt goooood

[adidas]

Callum,

Bernie has to move Formula 1 over to Asia more to find money to keep the sport at it's peak. It's just the way the world is turning at the moment. Soon everyone will be turning to Asia for help. As far as the Brittish GP goes, yeah I suppose it's a bit sad that it may dissapear. I think it's more sad there isnt a race in North America. That's life. The Medal idea, to replace points and award the drivers who finish on the podium is I think not too bad. Hey it would have let the more deserving driver win the title last year, wouldn't it? Still, points for the first eight positions can and has in the past helped the likes of Hakkinen, Schumacher, and Alonso to win thier titles. And the other teams may get even more dissheartened by their cars coming home 4th or 5th and getting a well done "nearly in the points, Kubica."

I think id like it to stay as the current points system.

Ta.

[donskar]

Do you think they have made the sport, as a whole better or worse im there time?

Personally, i think it is time for Bernie to move on, i dont like it to see that he is turning formula one towards all these new tracks far away where the only interest is to make money! ( i doubt there will be a Brittish GP in a couple of years) And the whole medal thing... it might make the first three drivers fight for position but what about the other 17 drivers?!? it will make the overall spectacle worse, not better. Sometimes it is the fights that are going on at the back of the pack that are the most exciting.

Anyhoo, i shall stop ranting, i just wonderd what others thought?

Initially, Bernie and Max made F1 better. Since then, power and greed have corrupted them and, recently, they have made it worse.

[Callum]

It will be a hard thing to do to replace Bernie with someone with a good technical knowledge and a good business background. I completely agree with Ron Dennis when he said that he would't want to do it because deep down inside he would always be biased towards McLaren. I bet Murray Walker would know what to do

With respect Adidas, would you call last years Singapore GP the "peak" of F1? What we need are more Spa's and Silverstone's. I understand that the sport needs to follow the money but when 50% of it is going into Bernie's back pocket then its not right. I hope that he's not going to strangle F1 for the money then leave it once all rewards have been reaped. It is a shame that there is no F1 in North America, has there even been F1 at Laguna Seca? I love that track.


But on the bright side it looks like the FOTA is moving in the right direction:)

[EKE]

Because Bernie and Max have been in their positions so long they seem to have lost touch with what the public really want to see and possibly the ideas to make these things happen.
It has taken too long to bring overtaking back to F1. It has taken the OWG (made up of personnel from the leading teams) to come up with realistic ideas to bring overtaking back (hopefully).
What is the point of night races? I, for one, enjoy waking up at silly o'clock to watch races in Australia, Malaysia, Japan etc. Moving these races "for the European market" also moves them for the local viewers from a reasonable 2PM local time to late at night/early in the morning and thus alienating the local fans than giving races to Asia is supposed to bring in.

I think the medal idea is stupid as it means that most of the drivers, who have very little realistic chance of even getting a bronze medal, are just out for a very expensive Sunday drive in a very fast advertising hoarding.

If they want to make a victory more important to winning the driver's championship, why not make the points differential between 1st and 2nd bigger?
I would also like to see points for the fastest lap and most laps lead.

For me, the points structure should be along the lines of:
1st: 20 Points
2nd: 15 Points
3rd: 11 Points
4th: 8 Points
5th: 6 Points
6th: 4 Points
7th: 2 Points
8th: 1 Points
Fastest lap: 3 Points
Most laps lead: 3 Points

With that points structure the top drivers can have a mishap but still make up the gap by pushing for fastest lap (how many fastest laps did Kimi have last season?)but a dominant driver could reinforce their dominance by leading the most laps.

What do you guys think?

[i70q7m7ghw]

If it's all done on medals there will only be 5 or 6 drivers actually competing out there... Everyone behind 6th position who just doesn't have the pace to get on the podium might as well go home... I can't believe the idea is even been considered, it's completely ridiculous. Bernie just makes up stories that people are complaining about the lack of overtaking... WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST CORNER OF THE LAST RACE BERNIE!?!?! That was called overtaking!!!

[EKE]

Bernie just wants Ferrari to win.
Under his medal system, Massa would have won and Bernie would have been happy.
I think it was Ron Dennis that said something along the lines of "Last season we won under a points system. If they change to medals we'd just change our strategy to win under that system".
The top teams have the best strategists so what ever the prevailing rules are, they'll ammend their strategy to win under those rules.

[Chaparral]

It will be a hard thing to do to replace Bernie with someone with a good technical knowledge and a good business background. I completely agree with Ron Dennis when he said that he would't want to do it because deep down inside he would always be biased towards McLaren. I bet Murray Walker would know what to do

With respect Adidas, would you call last years Singapore GP the "peak" of F1? What we need are more Spa's and Silverstone's. I understand that the sport needs to follow the money but when 50% of it is going into Bernie's back pocket then its not right. I hope that he's not going to strangle F1 for the money then leave it once all rewards have been reaped. It is a shame that there is no F1 in North America, has there even been F1 at Laguna Seca? I love that track.


But on the bright side it looks like the FOTA is moving in the right direction:)

The Singapore GP was absolute rubbish - having been there a number of times a daytime race would have created a very different atmosphere - it could in all honesty become the Monaco of the Far East but not with a night race- all the character is lost.

I wouldnt put too much creedence into FOTA - they have an agenda and whilst it looks like it may have a modicum 'fan friendly' focus dont believe it - I suspect Motzarella is as bent as BCE or Moley - things will change when either BCE or Moley drop off their perch which you never know could be sooner than later - geez Im glad I love real racing (Formula Ford)

[xpensive]

Nigel Roebuck wrote an excellent piece in the March issue of a great British motosport magazine, where he explained in a very simple way how the two gentlemen basically stole F1 commercially and as a consequence put the sport in this disastrous economical position. The whole charade is just so blatantly obvious as well as criminal to my mind. One Roman Abramovitch could not have done it better.

[Ciro Pabón]

Nigel Roebuck wrote an excellent piece in the March issue of a great British motosport magazine, where he explained in a very simple way how the two gentlemen basically stole F1 commercially and as a consequence put the sport in this disastrous economical position. The whole charade is just so blatantly obvious as well as criminal to my mind. One Roman Abramovitch could not have done it better.

An introduction is this, at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA-FOCA_war

After reading it, you have the feeling that it wasn't that obvious. I also have the feeling that it has been retouched in favor of FIA or, at least, that the people that has contributed has skipped major events in the story.

However, it is true that Balestre behaved strangely, to say the less. FISA was the joke of everybody, when regulations were "enforced". There was a prominence of manufacturer's backed teams, hard to swallow for the numerous independent teams.

Besides, and that's the important part, Balestre was outmanouvered by Mosley at the general election (something Wikipedia doesn't even mention).

I've read better, or perhaps more incisive recounts, surely Roebuck's is one worth reading. Any links to his article? I looked for it, but failed miserably.

[xpensive]

Ciro, the piece written by Roebuck was in this year's March issue of "MotorSport", where it explains how Mosley gave away the commercial rights to Bernie for 99 years, how he later sold the whole shabang to CVC, which then ended up with that terrible debt.

[andartop]

Max and Bernie made F1 what it is today. Good or bad, only history will show, judging them against others before them, and after. Obviously a lot of things could have been different for better or for worse: had someone else been in their place we might have had a better F1 today, or not at all. Of course, it would have helped if they weren't such utter scum!

[donskar]

Bernie just wants Ferrari to win.
Under his medal system, Massa would have won and Bernie would have been happy.
I think it was Ron Dennis that said something along the lines of "Last season we won under a points system. If they change to medals we'd just change our strategy to win under that system".
The top teams have the best strategists so what ever the prevailing rules are, they'll ammend their strategy to win under those rules.

LMAO

[Callum]

I am so angry

a quote from autosport: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73124

"Mosley added that he expected up to seven candidates to enter the race to be the new FIA president, although rubbished recent speculation in the Scottish media suggesting that the former Royal Bank of Scotland chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin was in the running.

"Last week Sir Fred called me to say it was all nonsense. He was obviously rather embarrassed," Mosley said.

"The interesting thing is where it (the rumours) could have come from. It has to be someone with some kind of connection to F1. He's got to have some connection with Scotland.

"He's got to have no understanding of how F1 or the FIA work, and he has to be unusually stupid. There's at least one person who ticks all those boxes." "


He is OBVIOUSLY talking about (Sir)Jackie Stewart, "unusually stupid" its just disgraceful. Mocking someone with dsylexia is just below the belt. It makes me so angry!!