[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[nzjrs]

I still think we should allow qualifying modes. That you have to run the mode you qualify in up to the first pit stop.

You can qualify higher at the expense of a shorter first stint, or lower with a longer first stint.

Would you exclude SOC from the definition of mode in this scheme?

[godlameroso]

I still think we should allow qualifying modes. That you have to run the mode you qualify in up to the first pit stop.

You can qualify higher at the expense of a shorter first stint, or lower with a longer first stint.

Would you exclude SOC from the definition of mode in this scheme?

According to the rules the ES has a 4MJ SOC. What isn't clear is if those 4MJ are only counted if sent to the MGU-K or if it is counted for both H and K. I understand you could theoretically use 4MJ and recharge 4MJ on the same lap, but you cannot send more than 4MJ for that lap to the MGU-K. You could however send that 4MJ to the H and everything would be a-ok, as long as your SOC doesn't exceed 4MJ.

[Wouter]

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Red Bull still believes in the world championship thanks to the developments of Spa

Since the Austrian GP, the RB16 has suffered from aerodynamic problems which, especially in recent weeks, seem to have been understood, with the engineers headed by Adrian Newey working to remedy. The downforce , even in the same corner, was not constant, creating big problems for the riders . Wind tunnel and CFD analysis the causes identified, "churning out" values ​​that have not found the right match with the track . Precisely for this reason, the pre- Austrian developments mounted on the RB16 had been shelved, re-mounted later only after a few adjustments.

Red Bull is very confident about the next races where, starting from Monza , there will be the introduction of the single control unit that should shorten the gap in qualifying with Mercedes ( read here to know all the details ). Also expected a lot from the planned developments from Grand Prix in Spa-Francorchamps .
We are not talking about simple adaptations on the RB16 to low load tracks, but rather about real updates able to increase the load making it more constant especially in high speed corners ...

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From Monza "Magic Button" only in the race

The long-awaited technical directive that will prohibit the use of the most aggressive mappings during the qualifying session on Saturday afternoon has unofficially arrived in these hours, but not in the race. Technical directive preceded by a few weeks of intense talks between FIA and engineers and a last meeting last Monday, where the federation anticipated the technical innovations by teleconference to the teams and where the timing of implementation was discussed again: there were indeed strong pressures by Mercedes to postpone everything 2021. It will enter into force from the GP of Italy , and not from that of Belgium that will take place in Spa in just over a week, to allow the engineers to complete the bench tests in preparation for the important change.

[lio007]

Let's wait and see. I had really high hopes before the season, but this gap wasn't expected at all. I'd say even by the team, and it caught them a bit by surprise.
Right know I don't have any faith in reports or "official" statements from team members. Only the lap times will tell us the truth, whether they make real progress or not.
Anyway, I still believe in their ability to get on top of whatever issues they have now (and hopefully find the root cause.)
What I absolutely don't understand: almost every year they have correlation issues (at least they say so) that get sorted step by step. But why do they have then again problems with the next car?
Their CFD and windtunnel must be the most calibrated by now

[godlameroso]

Even with a twitchy unpredictable car Verstappen has split the two Mercedes 3 times and won outright. One nice step from Red Bull is all they need, they've chipped away a tenth and a half since the start of the season.

In winter testing they were ~.5 off the pace. In the race Verstappen was .366 off the pace.

Mercedes is also bringing updates for Spa so we can only hope RB's updates bear fruit.

[lio007]

hm...just wanted to respond to a post...but obviously and thankfully it's already been deleted.

[diffuser]

Do you really think a 5% improvement will make that much of a difference?

Well, 5% on a topspeed of 300kph equals to a 15kph improvement. 5% more torque together with 5% better reliability .. I'd sign up for it.
But I don't sign up to anything (in this respect)

I was jus throwing a number out there but they are probably into diminishing returns now along with Mercedes....

As drag/resistance increase as the car travels faster. I think you be lucky to get 1/3 of that increase to translate into top speed. In other words a 15% increase in power would get a 5% increase in top speed. While a 5% decrease in drag would get you a at least a 10% increase in top speed.

That is why aero is king and these "dick" PU power measurement with top speed comparisons are just a waste of time. They just don't make as much of an impact on top speed as you would seem to think. That little tweak down on angle of rear wing can give you more top speed than maybe 3 years of Engineering work.

[tangodjango]

Even with a twitchy unpredictable car Verstappen has split the two Mercedes 3 times and won outright. One nice step from Red Bull is all they need, they've chipped away a tenth and a half since the start of the season.

In winter testing they were ~.5 off the pace. In the race Verstappen was .366 off the pace.

Mercedes is also bringing updates for Spa so we can only hope RB's updates bear fruit.

Nope more like 66-11(given Mercedes was just toodling around till then)=55. So adding 5-6 seconds for the time lost by staying out significantly longer than Verstappen it's more like 30/55 ~ 0.5 seconds per lap which means after all their upgrades, specifically at Barcelona RBR were half a second of race pace from Hamilton while Mercedes had no updates apart from brake duct modifications.

[godlameroso]

Even with a twitchy unpredictable car Verstappen has split the two Mercedes 3 times and won outright. One nice step from Red Bull is all they need, they've chipped away a tenth and a half since the start of the season.

In winter testing they were ~.5 off the pace. In the race Verstappen was .366 off the pace.

Mercedes is also bringing updates for Spa so we can only hope RB's updates bear fruit.

Nope more like 66-11(given Mercedes was just toodling around till then)=55. So adding 5-6 seconds for the time lost by staying out significantly longer than Verstappen it's more like 30/55 ~ 0.5 seconds per lap which means after all their upgrades, specifically at Barcelona RBR were half a second of race pace from Hamilton while Mercedes had no updates apart from brake duct modifications.

Whatever you say. You can't just exclude laps from a race because it suits your argument. There were no unplanned stops they stopped an equal amount of times. That is the gap, .3 is the gap between Bottas and Hamilton. Meaning there's no real gap between Bottas and Verstappen, result? Verstappen beats Bottas 5/6 times so far.

[tangodjango]

Even with a twitchy unpredictable car Verstappen has split the two Mercedes 3 times and won outright. One nice step from Red Bull is all they need, they've chipped away a tenth and a half since the start of the season.

In winter testing they were ~.5 off the pace. In the race Verstappen was .366 off the pace.

Mercedes is also bringing updates for Spa so we can only hope RB's updates bear fruit.

Nope more like 66-11(given Mercedes was just toodling around till then)=55. So adding 5-6 seconds for the time lost by staying out significantly longer than Verstappen it's more like 30/55 ~ 0.5 seconds per lap which means after all their upgrades, specifically at Barcelona RBR were half a second of race pace from Hamilton while Mercedes had no updates apart from brake duct modifications.

Whatever you say. You can't just exclude laps from a race because it suits your argument. There were no unplanned stops they stopped an equal amount of times. That is the gap, .3 is the gap between Bottas and Hamilton. Meaning there's no real gap between Bottas and Verstappen, result? Verstappen beats Bottas 5/6 times so far.

You can cherry-pick all you like by incorrectly extrapolating lap time difference, it won't magically make Red Bull catch up to Mercedes.

[diffuser]

I take my hat off to Max and RBR. They stayed close and executed. You can't loose track of the fact that Merc Put more heat into their tires , likely cause they have more DF, and the tires fell apart on them. Merc are doing something with their suspension that has been generating more heat that anyone else for a long time.

[mem]

You can cherry-pick all you like by incorrectly extrapolating lap time difference, it won't magically make Red Bull catch up to Mercedes.

you better hold your dragons until next Sunday for the FIA investigation can.

[Hammerfist]

Even with a twitchy unpredictable car Verstappen has split the two Mercedes 3 times and won outright. One nice step from Red Bull is all they need, they've chipped away a tenth and a half since the start of the season.

In winter testing they were ~.5 off the pace. In the race Verstappen was .366 off the pace.

Mercedes is also bringing updates for Spa so we can only hope RB's updates bear fruit.

Nope more like 66-11(given Mercedes was just toodling around till then)=55. So adding 5-6 seconds for the time lost by staying out significantly longer than Verstappen it's more like 30/55 ~ 0.5 seconds per lap which means after all their upgrades, specifically at Barcelona RBR were half a second of race pace from Hamilton while Mercedes had no updates apart from brake duct modifications.

Whatever you say. You can't just exclude laps from a race because it suits your argument. There were no unplanned stops they stopped an equal amount of times. That is the gap, .3 is the gap between Bottas and Hamilton. Meaning there's no real gap between Bottas and Verstappen, result? Verstappen beats Bottas 5/6 times so far.

It really should have only been 2 out of 6. In those other occasions Bottas was much faster than Verstappen and other circumstances led to the final results. I'll be interested to see if Bottas will continue to basically run at Max's pace for the next races or so. I suspect that may change.

[ispano6]

Nope more like 66-11(given Mercedes was just toodling around till then)=55. So adding 5-6 seconds for the time lost by staying out significantly longer than Verstappen it's more like 30/55 ~ 0.5 seconds per lap which means after all their upgrades, specifically at Barcelona RBR were half a second of race pace from Hamilton while Mercedes had no updates apart from brake duct modifications.

Whatever you say. You can't just exclude laps from a race because it suits your argument. There were no unplanned stops they stopped an equal amount of times. That is the gap, .3 is the gap between Bottas and Hamilton. Meaning there's no real gap between Bottas and Verstappen, result? Verstappen beats Bottas 5/6 times so far.

It really should have only been 2 out of 6. In those other occasions Bottas was much faster than Verstappen and other circumstances led to the final results. I'll be interested to see if Bottas will continue to basically run at Max's pace for the next races or so. I suspect that may change.

You could also say Albon would have had his first win in Austria if it weren't for circumstances. Some would say he was robbed of his first podium and victory twice by the same person. Everything has to come together in order to win a race, especially not getting screwed over.

[godlameroso]

Nope more like 66-11(given Mercedes was just toodling around till then)=55. So adding 5-6 seconds for the time lost by staying out significantly longer than Verstappen it's more like 30/55 ~ 0.5 seconds per lap which means after all their upgrades, specifically at Barcelona RBR were half a second of race pace from Hamilton while Mercedes had no updates apart from brake duct modifications.

Whatever you say. You can't just exclude laps from a race because it suits your argument. There were no unplanned stops they stopped an equal amount of times. That is the gap, .3 is the gap between Bottas and Hamilton. Meaning there's no real gap between Bottas and Verstappen, result? Verstappen beats Bottas 5/6 times so far.

It really should have only been 2 out of 6. In those other occasions Bottas was much faster than Verstappen and other circumstances led to the final results. I'll be interested to see if Bottas will continue to basically run at Max's pace for the next races or so. I suspect that may change.

Should have, could have, didn't. You have short memory or you're new to the sport. Verstappen has been manhandling Bottas for the last 3 seasons. It's not like I'm drawing from a small sample size.