Continuing on that, maybe a bit OT here, sorry.flexcon wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 14:18Random meandering thought.
Ferrari agree to technical details of their engine being shared which leads to FIA ordering this clampdown.
Ferrari knew this and built this years engine bulkier, stronger and able to withstand a higher power mode in the race
Ferrari have bided their time on this. Taken some pain knowing the others would be chasing qualifying top end power Ferrari New Spec 2 will allow them to run this new higher map during the race for longer than the others
Ferrari close the gap to others again.
Disclaimer - Thought of this while half asleep this morning. As you do...
no need to freeze ICE i think its very little how much power you can extract from it by now after 6 years , while the ERS limited to 160 hp uncap it will open another spending war let alone control it by the FIA.
this is by far bigger than the Ferrari debacle because Ferrari didn't win 6 titles and no British mega driver with them,ofcourse if something sinister to be found,you would treat it very carefully.I'm surprised by the lack of coverage on this new FIA initiative. AMuS and insideracing are the only sources I've found.
flexcon wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 14:18Random meandering thought.
Ferrari agree to technical details of their engine being shared which leads to FIA ordering this clampdown.
Ferrari knew this and built this years engine bulkier, stronger and able to withstand a higher power mode in the race
Ferrari have bided their time on this. Taken some pain knowing the others would be chasing qualifying top end power Ferrari New Spec 2 will allow them to run this new higher map during the race for longer than the others
Ferrari close the gap to others again.
Disclaimer - Thought of this while half asleep this morning. As you do...
I wonder if the 1% chance needs to be higher the more and more we hear. It may not have happened exactly like that, but I wonder how much is going on in the background that won't be known for 10s of years...1158 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 20:59Ok. I'm gonna go full tinfoil hat for a minute. Suppose the real reason Merc dropped their Ferrari-FIA secret agreement challenge was because Ferrari informed Merc they know how Merc's Q mode really works and that it is outside of the intentions of the regs. The FIA then agreed to not do anything about it until Merc had a large advantage which is why Merc has unleashed it's full potential for the first part of the season to keep Merc happy, in F1 and out of the Ferrari-FIA secret agreement.
Do I really think that happened? No. I'd say a less than 1% chance, but wouldn't that be a bombshell in 10 or 20 years lol.
I take that as a yes, thenBig Tea wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 14:08If you are anything but a Ferrari fan, you do have a point.Partymood wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 12:57May I remind you of MERC secret tyre test? Or perhaps Macca's spygate? And I only mentioned what has been proven and sanctioned.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 14:56
Yeah, have to make it a joke or it'll be considered an attack on the integrity of the Red Team. And we know where that will end...
IMHO it's easier to use the proposed tricks on an electrical sensor (varying accordingly the measured voltage and/or current) than doing the same with fuel flow which has a mass and associated inertia and so should be more difficult to vary at high frequencies.
There will <-***ALWAYS***-> be a spending war in F1.
Swap Ferrari with MB and RB and you will have the scenario from last year, when Toto and Spice boy were all over the media about how it was impossible for Ferrari to gain this much in an year.El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:43Yes exactly- it feels like they are just assuming guilt on the part of all the other manufacturers, just because Ferrari can't seem to keep up with some of them by strictly legal means.Big Tea wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:36The cynic in me says Ferrari were doing it and got caught, so share the pain-El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:25
The cynic in me cannot help but think all this new engine reg stuff is entirely for Ferrari's benefit, because of the mess they've gotten themselves into.
And if therefore Ferrari are saying to the FIA as part of their deal 'Well WE can't figure out why they are so quick and can't make ourselves as quick, so therefore there must be something dodgy' which has led to this, then that truly stinks.
Alternately, perhaps Ferrari were using the very same, lets call it 'method' and are now no longer able to as they have extra vigilance?Partymood wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 17:23Swap Ferrari with MB and RB and you will have the scenario from last year, when Toto and Spice boy were all over the media about how it was impossible for Ferrari to gain this much in an year.El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:43Yes exactly- it feels like they are just assuming guilt on the part of all the other manufacturers, just because Ferrari can't seem to keep up with some of them by strictly legal means.
And if therefore Ferrari are saying to the FIA as part of their deal 'Well WE can't figure out why they are so quick and can't make ourselves as quick, so therefore there must be something dodgy' which has led to this, then that truly stinks.
Then the same Totó came up this year and candidly stated that they worked so hard last year to catch up to them and now they made 7/10 gain.
Coherence isn't his forte, is it yours?
A courtesy that FIA should show to MERC as well, but then again a contract was stipulated to keep them from leaving and the rest is hystory.Big Tea wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 18:56Alternately, perhaps Ferrari were using the very same, lets call it 'method' and are now no longer able to as they have extra vigilance?Partymood wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 17:23Swap Ferrari with MB and RB and you will have the scenario from last year, when Toto and Spice boy were all over the media about how it was impossible for Ferrari to gain this much in an year.El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:43
Yes exactly- it feels like they are just assuming guilt on the part of all the other manufacturers, just because Ferrari can't seem to keep up with some of them by strictly legal means.
And if therefore Ferrari are saying to the FIA as part of their deal 'Well WE can't figure out why they are so quick and can't make ourselves as quick, so therefore there must be something dodgy' which has led to this, then that truly stinks.
Then the same Totó came up this year and candidly stated that they worked so hard last year to catch up to them and now they made 7/10 gain.
Coherence isn't his forte, is it yours?