[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[Big Tea]

Wrong. They will never tell Pu still not on par with mercedes. Chassis is good enough

Of course the PU is not on par with Mercedes, but Mercedes refuses to sell power units to Red Bull, while it's debatable if Renault is better than Honda, and Ferrari is clearly worse... So I'm not sure what you expect Red Bull to do on that front?

Red Bull could dump the free Honda power units and pay for Renault customer power units, but is that really going to give a significant improvement!?

It would also make Honda fans sad, lol.

As a company of good financial standing, it would certainly make Red Bull's life easier if Mercedes would supply customer power units (what are Mercedes scared they won't get paid, like with Manor? surely not) but Mercedes seem to refuse this transaction.

I don't see what is to be gained by changing power units right now. Merc seems to have a clear lead, but Honda have gone from worse to second best (arguably) so why should they stop improving now?

Also, Honda is the only maker who do not run their own team, so there can be no conflict of interest. They will always do the best job they can, and if you have one of their engines you benefit to the full.

I really can not see Honda pulling out, especally as they have a driver ready to move into the 'big league', think of the PR back home. I would even reverse that and guess they (Honda) have been waving cash in the direction of Hamilton.

[Revs84]

Wrong. They will never tell Pu still not on par with mercedes. Chassis is good enough

Of course the PU is not on par with Mercedes, but Mercedes refuses to sell power units to Red Bull, while it's debatable if Renault is better than Honda, and Ferrari is clearly worse... So I'm not sure what you expect Red Bull to do on that front?

Red Bull could dump the free Honda power units and pay for Renault customer power units, but is that really going to give a significant improvement!?

It would also make Honda fans sad, lol.

As a company of good financial standing, it would certainly make Red Bull's life easier if Mercedes would supply customer power units (what are Mercedes scared they won't get paid, like with Manor? surely not) but Mercedes seem to refuse this transaction.

In my humble opinion it's better to have a PU with a couple of tenths per lap less, but which is optimised for your packaging, than being a customer with no say at all. That's just my opinion though.

[Marti_EF3]

Who said the PU was the main issue?? I think right now that is clear that the RB16 have some serious chasis/aero problems...

[Sayeman]

Who said the PU was the main issue?? I think right now that is clear that the RB16 have some serious chasis/aero problems...

I think it is lacking a bit of top end, but nowhere near as bad as the RBR is making it to be. AT just won a race!

[aleshondas]

Reason for Max DNF?

[Pany]

Sure, but title fight is not possible if Pu is not very close to mercedes, either in terms of reliability, efficiency and power. This is what I said many times. At the moment redbul wins only with brand new engine.

Who said the PU was the main issue?? I think right now that is clear that the RB16 have some serious chasis/aero problems...

[GhostF1]

Sure, but title fight is not possible if Pu is not very close to mercedes, either in terms of reliability, efficiency and power. This is what I said many times. At the moment redbul wins only with brand new engine.

Who said the PU was the main issue?? I think right now that is clear that the RB16 have some serious chasis/aero problems...

Nonsense. The end of last year Red Bull Honda and Mercedes were basically on par, and PU wise the one ahead swapped track to track. This year, Honda have made more ground and claim this engine is a good step over last year and yet the RB16 has been slower at tracks than 2019. It's blindingly clear the car has inherent issues. This engine hate is insane.

[yener]

The Redbull 2019 car isn't a bad car at all, is what Max just said to Dutch tv (with lots of sarcasm indeed)

[Pany]

I don't hate honda Pu. They did fantastic job since mclaren days. And I hope redbul stay with them. Just say this formula is based on PU only and I don't like it. Nothing we can do. Car rules have been changed and will be changed again, but nothing will change

[yener]

Sure, but title fight is not possible if Pu is not very close to mercedes, either in terms of reliability, efficiency and power. This is what I said many times. At the moment redbul wins only with brand new engine.

Who said the PU was the main issue?? I think right now that is clear that the RB16 have some serious chasis/aero problems...

Nonsense. The end of last year Red Bull Honda and Mercedes were basically on par, and PU wise the one ahead swapped track to track. This year, Honda have made more ground and claim this engine is a good step over last year and yet the RB16 has been slower at tracks than 2019. It's blindingly clear the car has inherent issues. This engine hate is insane.

I don't agree. Just look at the Ferrari laptimes compared to last year. They +1 second slower a lap at least. Don't forget they have developed the car since last year Monza. So you can say that the Ferrari engine last year was worh 1.5 seconds at least. That Mercedes PU is a beast in every way. In efficiency, reliability and driveability.
It really doesnt matter what RedBull does, even if they improve 0.5 -1 on the chassis,the Honda PU will still let them down and Mercedes will still beat them.
DOn't forget they have a new head of aero department, and Adrian Newey is not as involved as he used to be.

[Moore77]

Reason for Max DNF?

No details out yet.

[Sayeman]

seeing Pierre hooking up nicely out of the corners and then out-accelerating that Mclaren, I would say Honda has fixed the drivability issues they were having few years ago.

[Marti_EF3]

Was holding up nicely without drs and tow. Also great drive not giving a straight tow to Carlos. Was a great race to see! And to enlight those who keep blaming Honda and the power output

[epo]

Was holding up nicely without drs and tow. Also great drive not giving a straight tow to Carlos. Was a great race to see! And to enlight those who keep blaming Honda and the power output

RB16 is unfortunately not the car they wanted, that seems quite obvious right now Honda did a great job, but for next year hopefully they do even better then Mercedes and let's hope RB does too..

Great Honda did win with AT, all deserved and the Honda people deserve this. I like them, never arrogant or bitchy like some of the others are, guess that is just also a Japanese culture thing, I like it.

[McMika98]

Wonder what all the preseason hype on this car was about? Best preseason ever my a$$. This car isnt stellar in either low, medium or fast corners, just can't keep temperature and eats the tyres. The overpaid technical team need a good dressing down. As its the same regs as next year they better figure things quickly or it will be curtains.
As for the race, both cars horrible at start and then nothing was possible. They could have pitted Albon at same time as Gasly who was out of top 10 and nothing to lose. He wont be sleeping anytime in the next few days.