[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[etusch]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2020/09/08 ... -red-bull/

Six-time Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton has commended AlphaTauri’s Pierre Gasly for his win in the Italian Grand Prix, while suggesting Red Bull made a mistake in dropping the Frenchman.

Gasly, who started his F1 career with what was then Toro Rosso in 2017, was promoted to the senior team in 2019 before being demoted after 12 races for poor performance.

Since then, the Frenchman has enjoyed a remarkable turnaround in his form, and Hamilton – who had previously taken a veiled shot at Gasly when he was still with Red Bull – says he has been mistreated by his employers.

“Pierre is just a really nice guy and he has a lot of talent and I don’t think he was necessarily treated fairly at Red Bull when he got demoted,” Hamilton explained to reporters on Sunday.

That's just unwanted political shot at Red Bull.

before talking about fairness of other team he must clear bottas and his place at team but without lying.

[Moore77]

Poor substitute for this year's cancelled Love Island.

[Jaisonas]

Any news on what failed on Max's PU?

[Juzh]

Worth noting Albon held out the longest against hamilton out of everyone. He held him for 3 entire main straight DRS attacks, even though mercedes opted to use the most power in the race against him specifically. Hamilton's top speed against him were 362, 355 and 363 kmh. He would never come close to 360 kmh again after overtaking albon.

Albon was very poor trough parabolica, missing inside apex and running wide every time (unlike verstappen who actually knew how to drive that corner). This allowed hamilton to hug inside line without much air disturbance and have much better exits, yet he couldn't finish him off on the straight. Against everyone else he more or less flew by under DRS easily. Albon didn't have DRS on any of those laps.



Albon's top speeds were 347, 347 and 344 kmh.

[Big Tea]

Communication between the bosses is good at RedBull from my point of view. The aero problems is because the aero department is not gelling as they used to when Newey was full-time. This is why Newey has decided to come back full time for 2021 and 2022. New regs excited him.

you my friend are way off , i've been hearing the same Newey excited by the new rules story for too long now , its a recurrent problem massive problem unsolvable in the current structure as proven in the last 6 years respectively
some directors need to step down new faces needed if Newey rated so highly so the other ones are not convinced by his work or just can't execute it or don't have the ability to do so iam sure there are miscommunications , judging by the money for sure some are not up to the task , i don't know why Hornor are not taking serious steps in this matter ,perhaps he is not a good Team Principal.

It is a bit harsh when you discount Merc, who are on a level of their own, the last 3 years give...

2018 ( OK Ferrari had 571 ) Red Bull 419 and Renault 122 no one else over 100
Last year Red bull 158 to no one else over 100 (Mclaren 98 Rp 82 Renault 71)
This year Red Bull 158 no one else over 100

And also consider Albon, for what ever reason has only scored 48, so only counting one car they are clear second.

[langedweil]

RBR has outdevelop Mercedes at the end of every season because Mercedes has always had such an advantage in the Championship that after the summer break they are already working 100% on the next year’s car, while the rest of the field is still trying to develop their current one... That’s why it has gave the impression of Red Bull been better at developing in the second half of the season, when in reality Merc has been smart enough to focus on early on the following car and therefore show up with a better car from the start of the season

Exactly that ..
I don't think anyone realizes what a beast of an PU the merc is; apparently reliable enough to race in strat2/3
As you say, normally by this time the new car would already be ready, at least as a model. Because of their lead they can switch to next year very early on.
The concept of the 2022 car is already done way before the budget cap will come into play, guaranteeing the same-old-same-old for at least for the first few years; he (or she) that does not drive a merc in the next 5/6 years will not compete for WDC

is it allowed? if yes then fia failed again. If there is budget cap for 2022 teams must produce 2022 car under budget cap regulations and there must be a starting point no one allowed to start earlier than that.

Allowed or not allowed, you cannot stop people from thinking and interpreting a new ruleset. We're not yet at Minority Report stages ..

I'd be honestly amazed when teams did not have any studies/models whatever around the groundeffect principle combined with the other rules. It's just mechanics, laws of Physics, aviation, vortices etc. Time, budget, brains .. the more you have, the bigger the chance on finding stuff others do not.

[mem]

It is a bit harsh when you discount Merc, who are on a level of their own, the last 3 years give...

2018 ( OK Ferrari had 571 ) Red Bull 419 and Renault 122 no one else over 100
Last year Red bull 158 to no one else over 100 (Mclaren 98 Rp 82 Renault 71)
This year Red Bull 158 no one else over 100

And also consider Albon, for what ever reason has only scored 48, so only counting one car they are clear second.

except i did not , RBR car not on par because of mercs so i do count them , take them off and rb16 would win all races.

[Big Tea]

It is a bit harsh when you discount Merc, who are on a level of their own, the last 3 years give...

2018 ( OK Ferrari had 571 ) Red Bull 419 and Renault 122 no one else over 100
Last year Red bull 158 to no one else over 100 (Mclaren 98 Rp 82 Renault 71)
This year Red Bull 158 no one else over 100

And also consider Albon, for what ever reason has only scored 48, so only counting one car they are clear second.

except i did not , RBR car not on par because of mercs so i do count them , take them off and rb16 would win all races.

Is this likely to be the case if they change all the staff?
If the 'other' staff are out there why have they not produced the results for the teams they are in now?

[mem]

Worth noting Albon held out the longest against hamilton out of everyone. He held him for 3 entire main straight DRS attacks, even though mercedes opted to use the most power in the race against him specifically. Hamilton's top speed against him were 362, 355 and 363 kmh. He would never come close to 360 kmh again after overtaking albon.

Albon was very poor trough parabolica, missing inside apex and running wide every time (unlike verstappen who actually knew how to drive that corner). This allowed hamilton to hug inside line without much air disturbance and have much better exits, yet he couldn't finish him off on the straight. Against everyone else he more or less flew by under DRS easily. Albon didn't have DRS on any of those laps.

https://i.imgur.com/PPpdmx5.jpg

Albon's top speeds were 347, 347 and 344 kmh.

some people suffer from Toto syndrome , refuse to believe their own eyes and only believe Toto.
regarding Albon he did the same during fp1,2 and qualy his time deleted multiple times he is definitely not RBR standard.

[mem]

Is this likely to be the case if they change all the staff?
If the 'other' staff are out there why have they not produced the results for the teams they are in now?

no need to change all the staff , analyse the problem and eliminate the reason of it, is it hard ?

[GhostF1]

Worth noting Albon held out the longest against hamilton out of everyone. He held him for 3 entire main straight DRS attacks, even though mercedes opted to use the most power in the race against him specifically. Hamilton's top speed against him were 362, 355 and 363 kmh. He would never come close to 360 kmh again after overtaking albon.

Albon was very poor trough parabolica, missing inside apex and running wide every time (unlike verstappen who actually knew how to drive that corner). This allowed hamilton to hug inside line without much air disturbance and have much better exits, yet he couldn't finish him off on the straight. Against everyone else he more or less flew by under DRS easily. Albon didn't have DRS on any of those laps.

https://i.imgur.com/PPpdmx5.jpg

Albon's top speeds were 347, 347 and 344 kmh.

some people suffer from Toto syndrome , refuse to believe their own eyes and only believe Toto.
regarding Albon he did the same during fp1,2 and qualy his time deleted multiple times he is definitely not RBR standard.

Can we just keep in mind Albon lost a lot of his floor and was losing 1 second per lap all in the corners and guess which one is the most aero dependent...

Before we flame the kid, let's keep all the facts straight. He's done a stellar job with the subpar tools he has been given (including an unequal car for most of the races) and his gap to Max is now the smallest it's been all year. A couple of tenths. Not to mention he's only driven a lot of these tracks once and that was last year.

RB have one shocking weekend and the loons out there come running with flaming torches for Honda and Alex. It's embarrassing.. and that includes some of the clueless commentators (*cough Crotty cough*)

Even Hamilton with this "Gasly deserves that RB spot".... No disrespect to Gasly, but what a hypocrite, last year he was berating Gasly and Red Bull for how poor he was and Red Bull only have "one performing driver". Hamilton's trying to cause dissent in a rival team. In his own words, he should mind his own business.

RBR need to stick with Alex while they sort this car. They chose him for a reason and it looks like we've forgotten how impressive Alex has been and can be and now want Gasly back? Jesus. Calm down. The last thing RBR needs is more instability right now by changing drives.. again.

[Wouter]

Can we just keep in mind Albon lost a lot of his floor and was losing 1 second per lap all in the corners and guess which one is the most aero dependent...

Before we flame the kid, let's keep all the facts straight. He's done a stellar job with the subpar tools he has been given (including an unequal car for most of the races) and his gap to Max is now the smallest it's been all year. A couple of tenths. Not to mention he's only driven a lot of these tracks once and that was last year.

RB have one shocking weekend and the loons out there come running with flaming torches for Honda and Alex. It's embarrassing.. and that includes some of the clueless commentators (*cough Crotty cough*)

Even Hamilton with this "Gasly deserves that RB spot".... No disrespect to Gasly, but what a hypocrite, last year he was berating Gasly and Red Bull for how poor he was and Red Bull only have "one performing driver". Hamilton's trying to cause dissent in a rival team. In his own words, he should mind his own business.

RBR need to stick with Alex while they sort this car. They chose him for a reason and it looks like we've forgotten how impressive Alex has been and can be and now want Gasly back? Jesus. Calm down. The last thing RBR needs is more instability right now by changing drives.. again.

Exactly!!

[godlameroso]

Looks like the planned update has been moved back to Sochi, the new FW needs tweaking, and another piece to get it working right. The design is tricky because it can affect other flow structures, so copying Mercedes isn't going to work. The design they had last year worked better, but that design can't work with the rest of the car's philosophy. So a new piece needs to be studied, designed, tested, and then put on the car. It's very stressful because although things on the car have improved, Mercedes made a step with the chassis. Red Bull hasn't made a meaningful step so far this year, because the regulations make it difficult to improve, and also because the issue has so many knock on effects.

It took McLaren 3 months of non stop effort to put a few winglets on the bargeboard, and it took them 2 races to start extracting all the performance from it. So whatever RB is going to put out is going to take time to integrate on the car. Either the car improves by half a second, or Mercedes needs a DNF for Max to stay in the championship.

[rogazilla]

Not sure how many people remember from last year. One of the problem with Gasly was not able to setup his car. Based on the report, he was going from one setup extreme to the other and the last few races, I believe the team just copied Max' setting for him to drive as baseline. That may just be the reason why Alex is and will continue to stay at RBR. I can see that with RP's success, we may just see 4 RB cars on the grid between the two teams.

[Wouter]

Looks like the planned update has been moved back to Sochi, the new FW needs tweaking, and another piece to get it working right.

What planned update are you talking about?
Are you saying that they didn't use the new FW during the race or at Mugello?