[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[mem]

“When they are on the podium, they say Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda, which never happens with Red Bull Racing at the moment. In that sense, the team is really important for us, those people, and that’s the reason also we are very glad.

it is very possible Honda will sponsor RBR next year and put a clause to have Yuki drive the second seat.
honestly i don't think it will be worse than Albon eventually.

Are you serious? Yuki is a very good driver and he deserves a seat at SAT, but he needs more time in F1 before he belongs in a top team.

so what ? Gasly and Albon drove STR very well but sunk in RBR let him go big instantly , he can get 2 fp1 instead of Albon this year

[godlameroso]

Strategy for race, try to qualify on mediums, and do 16 21 21 lap stints on M H H. There will likely be a safety car, unknown circuit, little margin for error.

I have a feeling RB will like this track, the heat will induce understeer at the front, taming the rear.

[JordanMugen]

Are you serious? Yuki is a very good driver and he deserves a seat at SAT, but he needs more time in F1 before he belongs in a top team.

Can't be any worse than Albon... Sato went straight into the 'top' cars, Jordan and then BAR, at Honda's request.

[Obviously the Jordan was a top car in 1999, but in 2000 it started to go wrong, 2001 with Honda instead of Mugen no better, and by 2002 when Sato was driving it had gone really wrong. ]

Are you serious? Yuki is a very good driver and he deserves a seat at SAT, but he needs more time in F1 before he belongs in a top team.

By that measure does Albon belong in a top team?

Vettel would be a good choice as he long doesn't complain about the car handling and happily drives with Verstappen's setup, obeys team orders (could be a problem, Vettel seems to get red mist and struggle with these at times) and doesn't cause intra-team collisions or friction -- challenging Verstappen's number one position in any way (snarky remarks in the press or on the radio for example) would be untenable.

[Marti_EF3]

No way Tsunoda is going to RB in his first year. He's going to AT, and will be fine there for 1 or 2 years. Let the kids adapt to F1. Max was on STR 1'5 years before going to RB. So keep calm

[Sieper]

I do feel Tsunoda is already composed. Although he did also get mad at Spa. But I think for any driver it is best to first come in F1 not directly in a top team. People will say they are patient, but after the 2nd event they start to chew at you if you are not up there straight away. Not saying it would be totally impossible but perhaps not best for Tsunoda. Honda is also not seeing ALpha Tauri as a B team (which I feel is very good of them) so it shoul also not be a loss of face if Tsunoda gets a seat there (first).

[Sieper]

No way Tsunoda is going to RB in his first year. He's going to AT, and will be fine there for 1 or 2 years. Let the kids adapt to F1. Max was on STR 1'5 years before going to RB. So keep calm

Indeed, Max was on second year STR when he was promoted. But OK, he was just 17 when he came in to F1 with only 1 season F3 and before that only karts. Tsunoda is in his 4th year in single seaters. Which is still not much but at least not just 1 year

[Michel Vaillant]

when Sato made his debut there was still unlimited testing by the teams /drivers.... so that is a completely different situation compared to "modern" F1 where testing is very limited... no way that they are going to put Tsunoda in RBR, he will get a SAT seat

[KelsO]

[mem]

you guys need to realize RBR car only for RBR family that won't change , the RBR car need a natural , naturals are few and priceless , fortunately for them currently Max is a natural.
even a wing man for him need to be natural , thats the way things are because its a hard car to drive they are pushing the boundaries as much they can trying to emulate the manpower and funds gap to mercs.
neither Albon nor Gasly succeed in driving the RBR car to its potentials , give Yuki an fp1 in RBR if he shows glimpses, an experienced eye will know he will do it , if not i don't see any solution but to promote Gasly in 2021 again.
there will be no SV or a Hulk in RBR.

[Chicane]

With Mclaren making big improvements at every track and the arrival of Mercedes engine, who knows it may become an option to Max in 2022. Clearly Redbull are confident that Max does not have options outside Mercedes but that's likely to change with the budget cap taking away their spending advantage over teams like Renault and Mclaren.

Mclaren have a state of the art simulator coming up in 2021 and a new advanced wind tunnel coming in mid 2022. With simpler aero rules with less aerodynamic freedom I don't see Redbull having legs over the current midfield teams like Renault and Mclaren especially Mclaren who will be powered by the mighty Mercedes PU.

Mclaren drive from 2022 onwards may end up being a desirable option for Max if the Mercedes window refuses to open for him. So Redbull have to give Max much more tangible than empty promises in order to keep him.

[McMika98]

With Mclaren making big improvements at every track and the arrival of Mercedes engine, who knows it may become an option to Max in 2022. Clearly Redbull are confident that Max does not have options outside Mercedes but that's likely to change with the budget cap taking away their spending advantage over teams like Renault and Mclaren.

Mclaren have a state of the art simulator coming up in 2021 and a new advanced wind tunnel coming in mid 2022. With simpler aero rules with less aerodynamic freedom I don't see Redbull having legs over the current midfield teams like Renault and Mclaren especially Mclaren who will be powered by the mighty Mercedes PU.

Mclaren drive from 2022 onwards may end up being a desirable option for Max if the Mercedes window refuses to open for him. So Redbull have to give Max much more tangible than empty promises in order to keep him.

This isn't a Mclaren post. If recent history is to follow the norn, Mclaren will struggle with aero development with the new facility for the first few years.
As for Max he will only want the Merc seat which is available in 22.

[Moore77]

With Mclaren making big improvements at every track and the arrival of Mercedes engine, who knows it may become an option to Max in 2022. Clearly Redbull are confident that Max does not have options outside Mercedes but that's likely to change with the budget cap taking away their spending advantage over teams like Renault and Mclaren.

Mclaren have a state of the art simulator coming up in 2021 and a new advanced wind tunnel coming in mid 2022. With simpler aero rules with less aerodynamic freedom I don't see Redbull having legs over the current midfield teams like Renault and Mclaren especially Mclaren who will be powered by the mighty Mercedes PU.

Mclaren drive from 2022 onwards may end up being a desirable option for Max if the Mercedes window refuses to open for him. So Redbull have to give Max much more tangible than empty promises in order to keep him.

This isn't a Mclaren post. If recent history is to follow the norn, Mclaren will struggle with aero development with the new facility for the first few years.
As for Max he will only want the Merc seat which is available in 22.

This isn't McLaren thread, but the point is about Max and what could become his potential option, if RBR doesn't fix things. People who were part of "history" at McLaren are almost all gone. There are new people and the leadership is all brand new and their biggest hope, is that fella James Key and he is a very good technical guy. If the new leadership can do the right job of ensuring the facility is built right, that might just turn out to be a great platform with a Mercedes at the back of their car. Hope RBR and Max doesn't turn out to be the Ferrari and Alonso situation which was all about "so near, yet so far".

IMO, Horner isn't the guy to lead RBR anymore. He is a spent force and doesn't seem to have anymore tricks in the bag. Some might not like it, but it's a fact that, he doesn't have anything new to offer for that leadership position. That RBR team principal position is not about playing politics and going around making colorful statements. They need a more robust, technical and a more tactical guy and not someone with a loud and loose mouth. It's a position where the guy should be able to gauge the depth in the organization and put right people in right places. Horner seems to be simply, blindly reliant on Newey and doesn't know what to do if Newey's ideas doesn't work. If the story repeats every year, Max isn't going to be hanging around for long and someone need to take responsibility for that.

[Chicane]

With Mclaren making big improvements at every track and the arrival of Mercedes engine, who knows it may become an option to Max in 2022. Clearly Redbull are confident that Max does not have options outside Mercedes but that's likely to change with the budget cap taking away their spending advantage over teams like Renault and Mclaren.

Mclaren have a state of the art simulator coming up in 2021 and a new advanced wind tunnel coming in mid 2022. With simpler aero rules with less aerodynamic freedom I don't see Redbull having legs over the current midfield teams like Renault and Mclaren especially Mclaren who will be powered by the mighty Mercedes PU.

Mclaren drive from 2022 onwards may end up being a desirable option for Max if the Mercedes window refuses to open for him. So Redbull have to give Max much more tangible than empty promises in order to keep him.

This isn't a Mclaren post. If recent history is to follow the norn, Mclaren will struggle with aero development with the new facility for the first few years.
As for Max he will only want the Merc seat which is available in 22.

This isn't McLaren thread, but the point is about Max and what could become his potential option, if RBR doesn't fix things. People who were part of "history" at McLaren are almost all gone. There are new people and the leadership is all brand new and their biggest hope, is that fella James Key and he is a very good technical guy. If the new leadership can do the right job of ensuring the facility is built right, that might just turn out to be a great platform with a Mercedes at the back of their car. Hope RBR and Max doesn't turn out to be the Ferrari and Alonso situation which was all about "so near, yet so far".

+1
Redbull have been trying the same old ideas and concepts for several years now and it is time to revamp their vision, concept and approach. The gap to Mercedes is huge and the current Redbull car in terms of lap time has not made any worthwhile gains on it's predecessor. The car is on the edge, difficult to setup and difficult to drive. In the hands of an average driver this car would be mired in the midfield. Verstappen is ticking this team at the moment by driving around issues. His frustration will sore if next season is a repeat of current one.

[Mansell89]

Right, with the news coming that Sergio Perez leaves Racing Point at the end of the season, surely Red Bull won’t be stupid enough to miss out on a cracking racer with plenty of experience on alternative strategies and going long?

He’s absolutely perfect for Red Bull whilst Alex and Pierre continue to learn at Toro Rosso?

[Wass85]

Right, with the news coming that Sergio Perez leaves Racing Point at the end of the season, surely Red Bull won’t be stupid enough to miss out on a cracking racer with plenty of experience on alternative strategies and going long?

He’s absolutely perfect for Red Bull whilst Alex and Pierre continue to learn at Toro Rosso?

I think they are that stupid.

After left scratching my head at the team persevering with Albon I've come to the conclusion that he and Verstappen aren't given the same equipment.

I mean they must know something we don't if they claim he's been performing well? Maybe he has been driving out of his skin in an inferior car, why the hell would they keep him if not?