Teams are already thinking about how to trick or cheat the incoming budget cap and FIA is starting to try to catch up with a new note:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... ext&nrt=54
Will FIA really be able to police the budget cap?
Not sure ‘cheat’ or ‘trick’ are the right words as it implies bad intentions. Maybe more ‘exploit any loopholes or grey areas’ is more accurate!Xwang wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 14:45Teams are already thinking about how to trick or cheat the incoming budget cap and FIA is starting to try to catch up with a new note:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... ext&nrt=54
Will FIA really be able to police the budget cap?
Why not? Of course there will be a whole new library of rules, exemptions and deals. But a good investigative accounting firm backed up with a technical and sporting team will be able to get a good insight what is actual happening at the teams.Xwang wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 14:45Teams are already thinking about how to trick or cheat the incoming budget cap and FIA is starting to try to catch up with a new note:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... ext&nrt=54
Will FIA really be able to police the budget cap?
I seem to recall that the statute of limitations on financial regulation breaches is quite a long period of time, so one can audit back into the past to detect fraud. That is in my opinion quite a deterrent.Jolle wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 15:02Why not? Of course there will be a whole new library of rules, exemptions and deals. But a good investigative accounting firm backed up with a technical and sporting team will be able to get a good insight what is actual happening at the teams.Xwang wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 14:45Teams are already thinking about how to trick or cheat the incoming budget cap and FIA is starting to try to catch up with a new note:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... ext&nrt=54
Will FIA really be able to police the budget cap?
Fraud is just the new cheating.
Expect weekly clarification requests and lots of addendums on the fly.
Can they, yes. Do they have the will to enforce the rules and make an example of a top team.... sadly, no. They don’t have the will to enforce the existing regulations properly.Xwang wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 14:45Teams are already thinking about how to trick or cheat the incoming budget cap and FIA is starting to try to catch up with a new note:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... ext&nrt=54
Will FIA really be able to police the budget cap?
It's a valid concern, but there are already and has been specific rules about how the 3rd party work must be allocated in Appendix 6 of the sporting regulations. It may be that these need to be tightened up to prevent your exact scenario, but more or less its already in the rules.Big Tea wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 16:28How could this be enforced guys- A team, lets call them Xtra, design and build the model. Well actually 2 models but one is faulty, say wrong colour, so they sell it to company 'More'.
Xtra are limited in wind tunnel and CFD time, so they use a weeks worth of it, getting things established and trim the model.
More also modify their model, its theirs that can do what they want with it. BTW, they have a tunnel, or access to a tunnel, and as they are not a F1 team they can do what they want with it.
Xtra employ consultants from 'More' for a few days and get advice on the model. They also help out in the tunnel. (They are not in F1 so who knows what they do with their model)
jump forwards a while, some more 'consultants' taken on short term from 'More', and the car is looking good and Xtra well inside the spend cap.
APPENDIX 6subcritical71 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 16:51
It's a valid concern, but there are already and has been specific rules about how the 3rd party work must be allocated in Appendix 6 of the sporting regulations. It may be that these need to be tightened up to prevent your exact scenario, but more or less its already in the rules.
That is going to be hard to police though isn't it?subcritical71 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 16:51It's a valid concern, but there are already and has been specific rules about how the 3rd party work must be allocated in Appendix 6 of the sporting regulations. It may be that these need to be tightened up to prevent your exact scenario, but more or less its already in the rules.Big Tea wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 16:28How could this be enforced guys- A team, lets call them Xtra, design and build the model. Well actually 2 models but one is faulty, say wrong colour, so they sell it to company 'More'.
Xtra are limited in wind tunnel and CFD time, so they use a weeks worth of it, getting things established and trim the model.
More also modify their model, its theirs that can do what they want with it. BTW, they have a tunnel, or access to a tunnel, and as they are not a F1 team they can do what they want with it.
Xtra employ consultants from 'More' for a few days and get advice on the model. They also help out in the tunnel. (They are not in F1 so who knows what they do with their model)
jump forwards a while, some more 'consultants' taken on short term from 'More', and the car is looking good and Xtra well inside the spend cap.
I agree 1000%. The FIA have too often shown they don’t have interest in enforcing their own rules. It will be like with children. The teams will push them until they find the boundaries. It will depend on how strict they (FIA) want to be.
But in the case of a team like (for no particular reason I chose) Renault, the accountant will not have access to the parent company's books. An engineer paid to be on a study course just before getting a placement at Alpine is just coincidence. If the study course includes exactly what is needed to be able to bring new knowledge to a project, it is a coincidence.nzjrs wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 18:55I think it's reasonable to assume that how ever devious we think we are here coming up with cunning exploits of the budget cap, we will appear as simpleton next to a good forensic accountant who could come up with more creative evasions. Given this, such accountants would have been involved in the drafting of the rules and in their enforcement.