Walkman wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 19:59
GhostF1 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 15:16
Regardless it's worth noting Honda place themselves 2nd. It's unlike them to claim such a thing based on nothing. Frankly, it's unlike them to be this forward at all to be honest.
Just like that famous power graph putting themselves in front of renault while casually ignoring the huge jump in power Renault made that winter.
Fact is Honda will never accept that they are behind Renault, because RB will never accept that, and because they spend a --- ton more than Renault on their PU program. On track it's clearly another story. The Honda is the only engine having massive clipping issues.
On peak power most insiders put the Honda third.
Everybody has a different opinion in the end but if the Honda is really in front of the Renault, man did RedBull and AT --- up badly !
That's a little disingenuous. Honda have been the only manufacturer to openly admit they are behind when they are. Renault were running around saying they were the most powerful on the grid last year!!! Abiteboul is the embodiment of "playing to the media", his words are usually extremely vain and exaggerated and he has gained the reputation to pretty much ignore what he says.
"Fact is Honda will never admit they are behind Renault". Rubbish, they spent a couple years admitting that, then made clear strides beyond, that's an unfair claim. And the only people unhappy with "that graph", for whatever reason like it's a personal shot in the back, are the people in this thread.. the media at the time had no qualms in backing that and it wasn't even for the public eye! It was an internal discussion and the slide was leaked. Imagine a scenario where internally talking nonsense with false figures and being completely deluded to your staff who are trying to increase competitiveness was Honda's goal.. it wasn't media pandering..
"On peak power most insiders put the Honda third." - Amazing. Which insiders and where? The whole season until Monza/Spa these same "insiders" placed Honda much stronger during race conditions. Suddenly we have Monza & Spa where the Renaults were fast on the straights and suddenly we get tragics coming out of the woodwork screaming "obviously Renault is number 2, look at their straightline speed"... It's a pointless metric at Monza and frankly if that's all we are looking at, they were slower than the AT's anyway?
Everybody has a different opinion in the end but if the Honda is really in front of the Renault, man did RedBull and AT --- up badly ! - I don't know about AT? They are looking really quite strong and the fastest they ever have been and mixing it with a midfield that has made a huge jump this year and are catching Red Bull. RB though, I'll be the first to say they have ****ed up. The car was a total dog for much of the season with a shocking rear end and was no faster than last years car, they're still trying to get on top of it. But we get the usual Christian style line of "you see, we are still learning the car and getting on top of it's quirks" every GP.
I'm not smacking Renault and agree everyone has a different outlook on the situation entirely but if anything, the difference is marginal between both, to the point these enormous claims on here that "Renault are clearly beyond Honda" because we have some eager members who watched the Monza and Spa speed traps but suddenly forgot the rest of the season get excited, is a little...
