Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[nsxer]

I too.

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[etusch]

Redbull’s options;
Option 1- new road car manufacturer gets persuaded to come in- Low chance and they’d need 3-4 years

Even if they pull someone to sport in this formula, they use their engine with AT until it gets good enough to use at RB. Until that time they still need a mature Pu which is Renault big probably. They can rebrand it as Redbull instead of tag heuer.

[Revs84]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 4V6s0.html

Cyril has a big smile on his face now.

Can RedBull buy the Honda Engines at full price or pay for development at Honda?! I know honda wont allow anyone to look inside it outside of Sakura.

Possibly the first one. Maybe in 2022 they can supply them with a 2021 spec so RB can focus on the new regs. Possibly tagged as Tag Heuer?

Unlikely, but not impossible. I would see this very likely especially if another engine manufacturer would be coming in to team up with RBR. In which case Honda could bridge the gap with old units while still be able to move its R&D engineers elsewhere.

I doubt Max would be thrilled about that, but probably still better than getting a Ferrari engine in terms of power

[etusch]

Honda will still push on with new F1 engine for 2021

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... n=widget-1

[PowerandtheGlory]

Redbull’s options;
Option 1- new road car manufacturer gets persuaded to come in- Low chance and they’d need 3-4 years
Option 2- buy engines from Renault badged as something else and huge cost as Renault might be giving another team a chance of beating them and losing constructor’s revenue so they are going to ask for 40million per team to make it worthwhile.. “Nissan Infiniti redbull”
Option 3- partner with Cosworth like with the Valkyrie and go it alone- build their own engine and spend tons.,,- low chance
Option 4- somehow buy honda’s f1 assets and then keep running them and build up a power train team...
Until something better comes along..
Option 5- cry into your sugar puffs as Max is going to leave now..

re: your Option 2 -- The maximum Renault are allowed to charge by regulation is €12m for an engine supply. It's in the sporting regs.

Thank you for the reply. Horner rubbing his hands with glee...

[godlameroso]

They could possibly use a Honda engine up to and through 2022, as development would essentially be frozen in season.

[63l8qrrfy6]

But you can improve the engine between 2021 and 2022 right ?
So all this talk that Honda left because they couldn't develop enough doesn't really make sense to me. The development rate is only restricted by the new dyno time regulations. Sure you have to wait for the start of each season to introduce the new engines, but behind the scenese it is business as usual.

That said, the development rate is probably such that a 2021 engine would be quite slow if raced in the 2022 season

[Wouter]

They could possibly use a Honda engine up to and through 2022, as development would essentially be frozen in season.

Yes, in theory, but not in practice.
Honda will withdraw its people from F1 at the end of 2021.
Which people will take care of the Honda engine in the RBR and SAT garages in 2022?
Who will supply new parts if Honda parts fail in 2022?

[godlameroso]

But you can improve the engine between 2021 and 2022 right ?
So all this talk that Honda left because they couldn't develop enough doesn't really make sense to me. The development rate is only restricted by the new dyno time regulations. Sure you have to wait for the start of each season to introduce the new engines, but behind the scenese it is business as usual.

That said, the development rate is probably such that a 2021 engine would be quite slow if raced in the 2022 season

If they keep developing the engine behind the scenes in 2021 it would be for 2022. Honda isn't pulling out until the end of next year.

[godlameroso]

They could possibly use a Honda engine up to and through 2022, as development would essentially be frozen in season.

Yes, in theory, but not in practice.
Honda will withdraw its people from F1 at the end of 2021.
Which people will take care of the Honda engine in the RBR and SAT garages in 2022?
Who will supply new parts if Honda parts fail in 2022?

So all the facilities they built in MK will just vanish after November 20 2021?

[63l8qrrfy6]

But you can improve the engine between 2021 and 2022 right ?
So all this talk that Honda left because they couldn't develop enough doesn't really make sense to me. The development rate is only restricted by the new dyno time regulations. Sure you have to wait for the start of each season to introduce the new engines, but behind the scenese it is business as usual.

That said, the development rate is probably such that a 2021 engine would be quite slow if raced in the 2022 season

If they keep developing the engine behind the scenes in 2021 it would be for 2022. Honda isn't pulling out until the end of next year.

Chances are they budget for just building and servicing engines, track support and software optimization throughout 2021. Why would they invest in developing 2022 engines ?

[63l8qrrfy6]

They could possibly use a Honda engine up to and through 2022, as development would essentially be frozen in season.

Yes, in theory, but not in practice.
Honda will withdraw its people from F1 at the end of 2021.
Which people will take care of the Honda engine in the RBR and SAT garages in 2022?
Who will supply new parts if Honda parts fail in 2022?

So all the facilities they built in MK will just vanish after November 20 2021?

That's probably what everyone working there is wondering right now.
Is Honda's supplier base in Japan or Europe ? Could it be easily transplanted ?

[Wouter]

They could possibly use a Honda engine up to and through 2022, as development would essentially be frozen in season.

Yes, in theory, but not in practice.
Honda will withdraw its people from F1 at the end of 2021.
Which people will take care of the Honda engine in the RBR and SAT garages in 2022?
Who will supply new parts if Honda parts fail in 2022?

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So all the facilities they built in MK will just vanish after November 20 2021?

Read the red printed letters again.

Which people will take care of the Honda engine in the RBR and SAT garages in 2022?
Who will supply new parts if Honda parts fail in 2022?

[bosyber]

As far as I understood, the reason given by Honda is that they want to put the resources (and that might involve the people and facilities, I think!) to use for going all electric. So if that's true, there's no facilities that could be bought, just the hardware for the PU as it is, more or less. That asks for a large investment to keep those engines up to date, if Red Bull were to acquire them. Seems unlikely to work.

[mzso]

Well, Red Bull is sure to win the championship if they keep using the Honda engine but rebranding it and maintining it for themselves, judging by how things went with Brawn...