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I'm here for the F1. Been watching it and going to Barcelona all years since 1997. But I'm also a fan of Honda since the BAR days (was a kid when Senna was on Mclaren Honda)
to add to it, all milliners son coming to F1 for time passMarti_EF3 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 22:58Maybe
https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news ... n=widget-1
The NTT IndyCar Series has pushed back the introduction of its hybrid power unit formula to 2023 in an effort to spread out costs for teams and manufacturers in an uncertain economy.
Ted Klaus, president of Honda Performance Development, said: “Honda welcomes this step to the future by IndyCar, action that mirrors Honda’s efforts to develop and manufacture high performance, electrified products that will meet industry challenges and delight our customers."
The Indycar Honda engines and support are just down to Honda US, the engines are built and supported by HPD in the US. the F1 engines are prepared by HRD Sakura in Japan, Honda’s global R&D base. It’s an important distinction. It’s similar to Team Dynamics BTCC engines being prepared by Honda Swindon, it’s got very little to do with Honda global.KelsO wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 23:52Well. I do not think that Honda left F1 because of the development of a new direction, I think deep down she was just disappointed in this circus. We heard (read) that Honda made inquiries with the FIA, but they were not allowed to implement their solutions, remember the Japanese GP 2018, when Honda was forced to return software (although it was initially allowed), which was changed for reliability reasons, at the same time we see how the FIA allows Mercedes to use 5 years of burning oil in cylinders, which is a direct violation of the regulations, we see how they allowed the use of DAS, others simply could not think that such a system could be legal. I am sure that the current superiority of PU Mercedes is due to another gray zone and the patronage of the FIA. Honda is too proud and perhaps too diplomatic to name the real reason for leaving.
At the same time, Honda announces its retirement from F1 due to a changing strategy and immediately renews its participation in the Indycar, where conventional engines are used and is only going to introduce KERS, which was abandoned in F1 almost 10 years ago.
Well, this is our world, instead of facing the truth and solving problems, it is better to deceive yourself with a pseudo-positive strategy and write a thousand unnecessary, deceitful, hypocritical identical press releases. (I'm talking about F1 and the FIA)
That really depends on what it was they wanted to achieve.RS200E wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 18:56A massive corporation like Honda doesn't need or deserve a normal person to make excuses for them. They failed again in the pinnacle of motorsport. They know that, everyone else should too.KelsO wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 23:52Well. I do not think that Honda left F1 because of the development of a new direction, I think deep down she was just disappointed in this circus. We heard (read) that Honda made inquiries with the FIA, but they were not allowed to implement their solutions, remember the Japanese GP 2018, when Honda was forced to return software (although it was initially allowed), which was changed for reliability reasons, at the same time we see how the FIA allows Mercedes to use 5 years of burning oil in cylinders, which is a direct violation of the regulations, we see how they allowed the use of DAS, others simply could not think that such a system could be legal. I am sure that the current superiority of PU Mercedes is due to another gray zone and the patronage of the FIA. Honda is too proud and perhaps too diplomatic to name the real reason for leaving.
At the same time, Honda announces its retirement from F1 due to a changing strategy and immediately renews its participation in the Indycar, where conventional engines are used and is only going to introduce KERS, which was abandoned in F1 almost 10 years ago.
Well, this is our world, instead of facing the truth and solving problems, it is better to deceive yourself with a pseudo-positive strategy and write a thousand unnecessary, deceitful, hypocritical identical press releases. (I'm talking about F1 and the FIA)
mercedes wdc is almost guarantied by Fia but there is still a small possibility for 2021 wdc for Redbull Honda.Big Tea wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 19:17
Failed? yes failed to win the championship, but not to build a very good engine of a completely different type in a very intense environment with many artificial limitations placed on them (not them individually, but all F1 constructors)
If I was Honda, I would be proud (but very sad)
Would it not be typical of Honda (in F1) to win and bug outetusch wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 22:48mercedes wdc is almost guarantied by Fia but there is still a small possibility for 2021 wdc for Redbull Honda.Big Tea wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 19:17
Failed? yes failed to win the championship, but not to build a very good engine of a completely different type in a very intense environment with many artificial limitations placed on them (not them individually, but all F1 constructors)
If I was Honda, I would be proud (but very sad)
I completely understand you. However, you can't just stop following them now when there's still one whole season to play for.Marti_EF3 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 22:56I'm here for the F1. Been watching it and going to Barcelona all years since 1997. But I'm also a fan of Honda since the BAR days (was a kid when Senna was on Mclaren Honda)
But right now I have not much interest on seeing the same team winning and no one is able to do anything. At least Honda keep things interesting seeing its progress with RB. But now that's over too. I'm not interested on Merc, Ferrari or Renault teams. And right now the small teams are simply puppets. Maybe it's just right now I'm frustrated, because now it's less interesting on a technical view if you loose a manufacturer...
Who knows, maybe it will also be the year they finally win the championship. Not really. It is all still Honda. If Honda states F1 is not helping them to on the road to fuel cells and EV's, neither does Indy. Maybe the excuse is that finances are separated, but it still garantuees a double message. Not a very strong message.Mogster wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 16:17The Indycar Honda engines and support are just down to Honda US, the engines are built and supported by HPD in the US. the F1 engines are prepared by HRD Sakura in Japan, Honda’s global R&D base. It’s an important distinction. It’s similar to Team Dynamics BTCC engines being prepared by Honda Swindon, it’s got very little to do with Honda global.KelsO wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 23:52Well. I do not think that Honda left F1 because of the development of a new direction, I think deep down she was just disappointed in this circus. We heard (read) that Honda made inquiries with the FIA, but they were not allowed to implement their solutions, remember the Japanese GP 2018, when Honda was forced to return software (although it was initially allowed), which was changed for reliability reasons, at the same time we see how the FIA allows Mercedes to use 5 years of burning oil in cylinders, which is a direct violation of the regulations, we see how they allowed the use of DAS, others simply could not think that such a system could be legal. I am sure that the current superiority of PU Mercedes is due to another gray zone and the patronage of the FIA. Honda is too proud and perhaps too diplomatic to name the real reason for leaving.
At the same time, Honda announces its retirement from F1 due to a changing strategy and immediately renews its participation in the Indycar, where conventional engines are used and is only going to introduce KERS, which was abandoned in F1 almost 10 years ago.
Well, this is our world, instead of facing the truth and solving problems, it is better to deceive yourself with a pseudo-positive strategy and write a thousand unnecessary, deceitful, hypocritical identical press releases. (I'm talking about F1 and the FIA)
Not really. The US, after Asia, is Honda's biggest market. They have a great reputation there and people appreciate their efforts and participation.Lock2nl wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 00:08Not really. It is all still Honda. If Honda states F1 is not helping them to on the road to fuel cells and EV's, neither does Indy. Maybe the excuse is that finances are separated, but it still garantuees a double message. Not a very strong message.Mogster wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 16:17The Indycar Honda engines and support are just down to Honda US, the engines are built and supported by HPD in the US. the F1 engines are prepared by HRD Sakura in Japan, Honda’s global R&D base. It’s an important distinction. It’s similar to Team Dynamics BTCC engines being prepared by Honda Swindon, it’s got very little to do with Honda global.KelsO wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 23:52Well. I do not think that Honda left F1 because of the development of a new direction, I think deep down she was just disappointed in this circus. We heard (read) that Honda made inquiries with the FIA, but they were not allowed to implement their solutions, remember the Japanese GP 2018, when Honda was forced to return software (although it was initially allowed), which was changed for reliability reasons, at the same time we see how the FIA allows Mercedes to use 5 years of burning oil in cylinders, which is a direct violation of the regulations, we see how they allowed the use of DAS, others simply could not think that such a system could be legal. I am sure that the current superiority of PU Mercedes is due to another gray zone and the patronage of the FIA. Honda is too proud and perhaps too diplomatic to name the real reason for leaving.
At the same time, Honda announces its retirement from F1 due to a changing strategy and immediately renews its participation in the Indycar, where conventional engines are used and is only going to introduce KERS, which was abandoned in F1 almost 10 years ago.
Well, this is our world, instead of facing the truth and solving problems, it is better to deceive yourself with a pseudo-positive strategy and write a thousand unnecessary, deceitful, hypocritical identical press releases. (I'm talking about F1 and the FIA)
If the really wanted to show the world they were going to go green, they would have dumped both. But Honda does not care about going green. They just needed money to stay in the car business. That is why F1 was dumped.