Ferrari SF1000

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SiLo wrote:
05 Nov 2020, 11:47
No images of the damage to one of the cars that ended up in Bottas' bargeboard?
There's a picture in the race thread.

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 6#p937246

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These recent photographs are great (as always) but I'm surprised and disappointed that Ferrari is wasting time/money/resources/man hours putzing around with aero detail bits on this year's car.

Put it all into 2022 and the 2021 engine.

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godlameroso wrote:
31 Oct 2020, 07:03
ryaan2904 wrote:
31 Oct 2020, 06:42
https://images.app.goo.gl/y9gVzCd2JUyTs8YU9
Guys notice how Ferrari's J vanes converge at the bottom in such a way that the bottom part almost looks like a cape. Does that mean that Ferrari enjoys the benefits of both J Vanes and the cape??
They do seem to have a hybrid solution, they have a smaller cape and it seems like the mini cape is sending air out and inboard the j-vanes.

Do you think those little vortex generators on the outside of the J-vanes, are to encourage more airflow inboard of the j-vanes?

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
they look to boost the y-250 vortex Image

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Ringleheim wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 17:30
These recent photographs are great (as always) but I'm surprised and disappointed that Ferrari is wasting time/money/resources/man hours putzing around with aero detail bits on this year's car.

Put it all into 2022 and the 2021 engine.
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pierrre wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 17:54
godlameroso wrote:
31 Oct 2020, 07:03
ryaan2904 wrote:
31 Oct 2020, 06:42
https://images.app.goo.gl/y9gVzCd2JUyTs8YU9
Guys notice how Ferrari's J vanes converge at the bottom in such a way that the bottom part almost looks like a cape. Does that mean that Ferrari enjoys the benefits of both J Vanes and the cape??
They do seem to have a hybrid solution, they have a smaller cape and it seems like the mini cape is sending air out and inboard the j-vanes.

Do you think those little vortex generators on the outside of the J-vanes, are to encourage more airflow inboard of the j-vanes?

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
they look to boost the y-250 vortex https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjAbMzUXkAA ... ame=medium
The fact that the vertical vanes go on top of the horizontal part in the new design leads me to deduce that the horizontal part works the air flow from underneath.
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Ringleheim wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 17:30
These recent photographs are great (as always) but I'm surprised and disappointed that Ferrari is wasting time/money/resources/man hours putzing around with aero detail bits on this year's car.

Put it all into 2022 and the 2021 engine.
A considerable amount of the Aero work for this year will carry on to next year, and there's meant to be strict rules in place for this year that they aren't allowed to develop the concept of the 2022 car until the start of next year. To be honest, I don't know how they can possibly police that properly... but anyway. They're also investing a huge amount into the Power Unit for 2021, which alone SHOULD produce a noticeable performance benefit for them relative to the rest of the grid.

It also gives Ferrari confirmation that they can start to rely on their simulation/wind-tunnel and track correlated data to move forward with upgrades for the near future, and even more so with development of the 2022 car.

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Ringleheim wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 17:30
These recent photographs are great (as always) but I'm surprised and disappointed that Ferrari is wasting time/money/resources/man hours putzing around with aero detail bits on this year's car.

Put it all into 2022 and the 2021 engine.
The 2021 car it's the F1000 with a different engine and different rear suspension/gearbox, so why they should not work on the 2020 car that is the 2021 to be? The rules are very clear.

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interesting picture...that jet of water making away around that standing vertical blade(whatever they call it)

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So anybody here has any idea why the --- Ferrari shits laptimes on full wets?! I'm thinking its the same rear axle problem amplified but I'm not thinking straight atm
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ryaan2904 wrote:
14 Nov 2020, 19:32
So anybody here has any idea why the --- Ferrari shits laptimes on full wets?! I'm thinking its the same rear axle problem amplified but I'm not thinking straight atm
Drivers said they couldn't switch the fronts on and it wasn't that much better with the rears.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
14 Nov 2020, 19:49
ryaan2904 wrote:
14 Nov 2020, 19:32
So anybody here has any idea why the --- Ferrari shits laptimes on full wets?! I'm thinking its the same rear axle problem amplified but I'm not thinking straight atm
Drivers said they couldn't switch the fronts on and it wasn't that much better with the rears.
I read the same

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Here's a nice image from motorsport.com showing a vortex formed underneath the floor

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jh199 wrote:
18 Nov 2020, 18:22
https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tail-1.jpg

Here's a nice image from motorsport.com showing a vortex formed underneath the floor
Where does this vortex form? The leading edge of the floor behind the barge boards?

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holeindalip wrote:
23 Nov 2020, 19:54
jh199 wrote:
18 Nov 2020, 18:22
https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tail-1.jpg

Here's a nice image from motorsport.com showing a vortex formed underneath the floor
Where does this vortex form? The leading edge of the floor behind the barge boards?
There's a horizontal delta shaped vane on the step plane - inside the "bargeboard" volume. I've seen it called the "water wing". You can see it forming here
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pierrre wrote:
14 Nov 2020, 16:56
interesting picture...that jet of water making away around that standing vertical blade(whatever they call it)
Generally called the SPLEF - Side Pod Leading Edge Flap
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