[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 21:50
nzjrs wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 21:15
Do you think they could have aborted the Q2 softs lap? It seemed weird to complete.
Max was out with the previous lap with mediums
Are you sure? I should watch the replay but I belive he was safe and there was 10s where he could have aborted according to the recorded improvement of others being not enough.

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TNTHead wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 22:14
Sieper wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 20:20
Argh. 0,052 to pole. Such a shame. Hopefully the progress is real and when Merc does indeed loose DAS next year (Toto seemed not so sure) it might finally be on?
Max stated at Ziggo interview after qualy that Bottas didnt have a clean/superb lap so that makes the gap seem closer. Max also thought that long run lap times of RB weren't comparable because the mercs were runned with low engine modes.

With his experience and fighting spirit I expect him to catch at least one merc, may be both. But starting on soft is probably a disadvantage strategy wise.
That is not what he said. He said they weren’t really pushing like in race and in race we will see how fast everyone is. Allthough overtaking here might be troublesome for an RBR against a merc.

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nzjrs wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 22:46
Marti_EF3 wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 21:50
nzjrs wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 21:15
Do you think they could have aborted the Q2 softs lap? It seemed weird to complete.
Max was out with the previous lap with mediums
Are you sure? I should watch the replay but I belive he was safe and there was 10s where he could have aborted according to the recorded improvement of others being not enough.
No, he already was on p11 or something.

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Sieper wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 20:20
Argh. 0,052 to pole. Such a shame. Hopefully the progress is real and when Merc does indeed loose DAS next year (Toto seemed not so sure) it might finally be on?
I think we should all calm down from seeing that 0.0052 gap. The Merc hasn't been developped in months. You can guarantee that next year's car is going to be a monster again, even with all the downforce restrictions. They have had so much of a head start working on it. Just like every year really.

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Hammerfist wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 02:11
Sieper wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 20:20
Argh. 0,052 to pole. Such a shame. Hopefully the progress is real and when Merc does indeed loose DAS next year (Toto seemed not so sure) it might finally be on?
I think we should all calm down from seeing that 0.0052 gap. The Merc hasn't been developped in months. You can guarantee that next year's car is going to be a monster again, even with all the downforce restrictions. They have had so much of a head start working on it. Just like every year really.
Not only that, but also the biggest team of engineers. But the Honda should make a nice step too and RBR have clawed back a lot of what they lost. They maybe aren’t even back to the same level of competitiveness as end last year though but OK. No DAS and no qualy mode at least levels the playfield a bit.

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Hammerfist wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 02:11
Sieper wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 20:20
Argh. 0,052 to pole. Such a shame. Hopefully the progress is real and when Merc does indeed loose DAS next year (Toto seemed not so sure) it might finally be on?
I think we should all calm down from seeing that 0.0052 gap. The Merc hasn't been developped in months. You can guarantee that next year's car is going to be a monster again, even with all the downforce restrictions. They have had so much of a head start working on it. Just like every year really.
How much can they improve for next year? Let's say the engine brings .3, and the downforce is clawed back to late 2019 levels. Meaning they lose .1 from the chassis, or by some miracle break even. The RB chassis is on par, the engine has a tall mountain to climb, it needs to gain .6 to be at Mercedes level for next year. Honda's 2021 engine is the biggest step forward it has ever made, where it's usually .3. Really doubt they found .6 from the engine, combined improvement from engine and chassis has to equal half a second improvement to match what Mercedes will do next year.

A normal improvement will only keep them at bay of Mercedes, an incredible improvement would put them closer, it would take a miracle to overtake them. My bet is on the middle one.

This year's RB16 is half a second faster than it's predecessor at this point in the season and they are still a good .2-.5 per lap behind Mercedes on a normal track.
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Fun face about Albon Versus Pérez at the end of his second season with Sauber Pérez had 3 podiums and nearly won a race in a Sauber.... Albon is in a RedBull. I can't imagine how frustrating that must be for the RedBull management right about now. So many other drivers are more deserving of the opportunity that Albon isn't living up to.

Not only that but during Qualifying he told the team he couldn't go faster then what he had given them already.

He didn't even say "I'll try" and then fail to improve. He said he couldn't go faster and then proceeds to miss out on Q3.....


Man if RedBull doesn't replace him I'm wow... That is such a mediocre mentality to not even try... Champions fight for their dreams....

But I guess the race weekend isn't over yet. Let's see what he can do.
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That's what I call a --- race. And the winner is who always is on all incidents in the first lap. What a fuc**** disaster, and hope he wont be in RB next year

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:52
That's what I call a --- race. And the winner is who always is on all incidents in the first lap. What a fuc**** disaster, and hope he wont be in RB next year
I don't like Checo at all, but I think is the best bet the RBR can do if they want to really fight against Marcedes. With only Max is not possible.

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maguetox wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:57
Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:52
That's what I call a --- race. And the winner is who always is on all incidents in the first lap. What a fuc**** disaster, and hope he wont be in RB next year
I don't like Checo at all, but I think is the best bet the RBR can do if they want to really fight against Marcedes. With only Max is not possible.
Take Hulk, who is a respectful driver. Checo is not.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:58
maguetox wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:57
Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:52
That's what I call a --- race. And the winner is who always is on all incidents in the first lap. What a fuc**** disaster, and hope he wont be in RB next year
I don't like Checo at all, but I think is the best bet the RBR can do if they want to really fight against Marcedes. With only Max is not possible.
Take Hulk, who is a respectful driver. Checo is not.
But a race-winner.

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lio007 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:59
Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:58
maguetox wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:57

I don't like Checo at all, but I think is the best bet the RBR can do if they want to really fight against Marcedes. With only Max is not possible.
Take Hulk, who is a respectful driver. Checo is not.
But a race-winner.
Also Gasly is, right? But well, if you want scenes like Perez-Ocon or even Webber-Vettel. Then yes, pick him

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So unfortunate for Max. I think this could have been an easy one for him, if not for the first 30 seconds.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 21:00
lio007 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:59
Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:58


Take Hulk, who is a respectful driver. Checo is not.
But a race-winner.
Also Gasly is, right? But well, if you want scenes like Perez-Ocon or even Webber-Vettel. Then yes, pick him
Don't get me wrong. I think we just need an improvement compared to Alex. He's a really nice guy, but his performance is not on a top-team level. Otherwise WCC is impossible.

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lio007 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 21:05
Marti_EF3 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 21:00
lio007 wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 20:59

But a race-winner.
Also Gasly is, right? But well, if you want scenes like Perez-Ocon or even Webber-Vettel. Then yes, pick him
Don't get me wrong. I think we just need an improvement compared to Alex. He's a really nice guy, but his performance is not on a top-team level. Otherwise WCC is impossible.
Yeah, I understand your point. But I've big doubts about the athmosphere in the team if Checo gets in... He's a talented driver, but I'm worried if that becomes a double edge knife...