2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

[godlameroso]

2021 is the closest thing to a guarantee to being able to fight for the title. 2022 not so certain, which is why he did a one year contract, it is too early to tell right now how Mercedes will fare in the new era.

[LM10]

Pretty sure Hamilton only signed a one year deal because he's not confident that Mercedes is going to dominate the next era of F1 cars like they have so far.

Just keeping his options open. 8 years is loyal enough, after 7 years all the cells in your body are replaced with new ones, you are literally no longer the same person.

2021 is not going to make him any wiser about his chances in 2022. A two year deal would made more sense in that case.

I'm pretty sure the reason Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 was that he had been told they were going to be strong in the new era. I don't think that engineers are totally clueless about the potential of their concepts.

[Slo Poke]

Pretty sure Hamilton only signed a one year deal because he's not confident that Mercedes is going to dominate the next era of F1 cars like they have so far.

Just keeping his options open. 8 years is loyal enough, after 7 years all the cells in your body are replaced with new ones, you are literally no longer the same person.

2021 is not going to make him any wiser about his chances in 2022. A two year deal would made more sense in that case.

I'm pretty sure the reason Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 was that he had been told they were going to be strong in the new era. I don't think that engineers are totally clueless about the potential of their concepts.

Early 2013 Mercedes didn’t have a concept. Early 2013 the only thing Mercedes had was a tyre burning rear axle, they’d been trying to cure for three years.

[aMessageToCharlie]

2021 is not going to make him any wiser about his chances in 2022. A two year deal would made more sense in that case.

I'm pretty sure the reason Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 was that he had been told they were going to be strong in the new era. I don't think that engineers are totally clueless about the potential of their concepts.

Early 2013 Mercedes didn’t have a concept. Early 2013 the only thing Mercedes had was a tyre burning rear axle, they’d been trying to cure for three years.

Yeah, right. Guess the most dominant power plant and organization in F1 history just fell from the sky randomly around Feburary 2014 then.

[Slo Poke]

I'm pretty sure the reason Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 was that he had been told they were going to be strong in the new era. I don't think that engineers are totally clueless about the potential of their concepts.

Early 2013 Mercedes didn’t have a concept. Early 2013 the only thing Mercedes had was a tyre burning rear axle, they’d been trying to cure for three years.

Yeah, right. Guess the most dominant power plant and organization in F1 history just fell from the sky randomly around Feburary 2014 then.

Nothing quite so grand as that I’m afraid. It actually fell from the Postman’s hand and landed on Brawn’s desk. A similar thing recently happed at RedBull; keep an eye on ‘em this year, if you need a source.

[Jolle]

I'm pretty sure the reason Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 was that he had been told they were going to be strong in the new era. I don't think that engineers are totally clueless about the potential of their concepts.

Early 2013 Mercedes didn’t have a concept. Early 2013 the only thing Mercedes had was a tyre burning rear axle, they’d been trying to cure for three years.

Yeah, right. Guess the most dominant power plant and organization in F1 history just fell from the sky randomly around Feburary 2014 then.

In 2012 when Hamilton signed, Mercedes was still building up the team and they showed him their plans and investments for 2014. For 2022 the story is different. The team is already a well oiled big machine and there isn’t anything to “ramp up”. The only way to tell the ‘22 car will be a beast again compared to the competition is when they are compared on track, early 22.

[PlatinumZealot]

They had intentions. Solid intentions and it was convincing enough for hamilton I feel.

Anyone remember how they were building the superteam and they were criticized for having too many "cooks". Toto, Paddy Lowe and few others were still yet to join too.

[Just_a_fan]

I'm pretty sure the reason Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 was that he had been told they were going to be strong in the new era. I don't think that engineers are totally clueless about the potential of their concepts.

Early 2013 Mercedes didn’t have a concept. Early 2013 the only thing Mercedes had was a tyre burning rear axle, they’d been trying to cure for three years.

Yeah, right. Guess the most dominant power plant and organization in F1 history just fell from the sky randomly around Feburary 2014 then.

He gambled. It worked out. When he signed in late 2012 there was no way of guaranteeing the package would be what it became. He rolled the dice and lucked in. Live with it.

[aMessageToCharlie]

Early 2013 Mercedes didn’t have a concept. Early 2013 the only thing Mercedes had was a tyre burning rear axle, they’d been trying to cure for three years.

Yeah, right. Guess the most dominant power plant and organization in F1 history just fell from the sky randomly around Feburary 2014 then.

He gambled. It worked out. When he signed in late 2012 there was no way of guaranteeing the package would be what it became. He rolled the dice and lucked in. Live with it.

"Live with it." What's your deal, mate?

Are you really gonna argue that Mercedes didnt have a concept going into the new regulations?

Pouring resources into their F1 program like no tomorrow? Starting development on the V6 power unit earlier than anyone else? Hiring the best available engineers and looking to spend another rediculous amount of money on the fastest available driver?

Plus they already had a pole position and race winning car in 2012.

[dans79]

Yeah, right. Guess the most dominant power plant and organization in F1 history just fell from the sky randomly around Feburary 2014 then.

He gambled. It worked out. When he signed in late 2012 there was no way of guaranteeing the package would be what it became. He rolled the dice and lucked in. Live with it.

"Live with it." What's your deal, mate?

Are you really gonna argue that Mercedes didnt have a concept going into the new regulations?

He is reiterating what several others have already said! I.E. when Hamilton signed, Mercedes had no idea how good they would be compared to their competitors. I believe the term used late in 2014 testing what "quietly optimistic."

[Just_a_fan]

Yeah, right. Guess the most dominant power plant and organization in F1 history just fell from the sky randomly around Feburary 2014 then.

He gambled. It worked out. When he signed in late 2012 there was no way of guaranteeing the package would be what it became. He rolled the dice and lucked in. Live with it.

"Live with it." What's your deal, mate?

Are you really gonna argue that Mercedes didnt have a concept going into the new regulations?

Pouring resources into their F1 program like no tomorrow? Starting development on the V6 power unit earlier than anyone else? Hiring the best available engineers and looking to spend another rediculous amount of money on the fastest available driver?

Plus they already had a pole position and race winning car in 2012.

McLaren, RedBull, Ferrari, Williams and Lotus also all won races in 2012 and only Lotus didn't take a pole in that list. So your point is, well, pointless.

As for pouring in resources, yes, but there was no guarantee that they would produce a title winning car and certainly no guarantee that they'd be successful for so long. Hamilton left one of the most successful teams in F1 for a team that had a single race win. Thus, Hamilton's move was a gamble.

[aMessageToCharlie]

It goes without saying that there was no guarantee. Pretty much nothing is guaranteed. Also I never said anything about Hamilton's move or that it wasn’t a gamble.

It certrainly was. But it's not unreasonable to assume that a works team that has a winning car already, is long term committed to the sport and is pouring pretty much unlimited resources at a new formula would be successful eventually.

Claiming Mercedes didn't have a clue what they were doing and just lucked into success is an insult to the whole hard working organization.

[Slo Poke]

It goes without saying that there was no guarantee. Pretty much nothing is guaranteed. Also I never said anything about Hamilton's move or that it wasn’t a gamble.

It certrainly was. But it's not unreasonable to assume that a works team that has a winning car already, is long term committed to the sport and is pouring pretty much unlimited resources at a new formula would be successful eventually.

Claiming Mercedes didn't have a clue what they were doing and just lucked into success is an insult to the whole hard working organization.

As stated! A similar thing recently happed at RedBull; keep an eye on ‘em this year, if you need a source.

[noname]

Early 2013 Mercedes didn’t have a concept. Early 2013 the only thing Mercedes had was a tyre burning rear axle, they’d been trying to cure for three years.

Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault had prototypes of their hybrid engines on dynos already in 2011.
Each of them was different, because each team had different car philosophy (read: concept).

[Just_a_fan]

Claiming Mercedes didn't have a clue what they were doing and just lucked into success is an insult to the whole hard working organization.

Did anyone claim that? No.

The statement was that Hamilton gambled on his move and his gamble paid off. It might not have - Ferrari have had the biggest budget for years and haven't won a title since 2007/8. But they might just as easily have found the magic bullet and been the team to beat in the V6T era.