2021 Mclaren F1 Team

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SmallSoldier
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FittingMechanics wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 22:58
ScottR267 wrote:Martin Brundle on Sky’s day 3 review reckons McLaren are the third in the pecking order! Bodes well for the season!
This is Formula1’s assessment on Short Pace:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202103 ... e13f4c.jpg


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Sadly they don't mention based on what did they get that chart (probably C4 run Ricciardo did). Norris did an extremely good 1:30:700 lap on C2 with 4-5 laps of fuel (so not a complete glory run). And this was done during the warm part of the day. I reckon this is probably the most impressive lap McLaren did in this test.
Unluckily they just placed it in the article... I agree that it doesn’t seem the representative.

For example, I don’t think that Ferrari will be behind Alfa Romeo.

The reality is that rarely the pecking order right after testing has been a good representation of what the first race offers (which also may be due to the fact that the first race of the season has been in Australia which isn’t a very typical track, at least not compared to Barcelona were the tests used to be).


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Emag wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 22:58
ScottR267 wrote:Martin Brundle on Sky’s day 3 review reckons McLaren are the third in the pecking order! Bodes well for the season!
This is Formula1’s assessment on Short Pace:

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Hard to believe this graph to be honest. Just two weeks to find out, but it feels quite extraordinary. Not just for McLaren, but some other teams seem miss-placed too.
Agreed, would love for Mclaren to be close to half a second from the lead though!


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What kind of concerns me is this longish stint that norris did towards the end of today...

2:13.038 41
1:37.605 42
1:38.281 43
1:38.286 44
1:38.518 45
1:38.243 46
1:38.652 47
1:38.607 48
1:38.536 49
1:38.389 50
1:38.387 51
1:41.998 52

these times don't look particularly good to me even with a full tank.

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jonnybgoode wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:49
What kind of concerns me is this longish stint that norris did towards the end of today...

2:13.038 41
1:37.605 42
1:38.281 43
1:38.286 44
1:38.518 45
1:38.243 46
1:38.652 47
1:38.607 48
1:38.536 49
1:38.389 50
1:38.387 51
1:41.998 52

these times don't look particularly good to me even with a full tank.
When you see times so consistent, they are driving to a delta.

FittingMechanics
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kfrantzios wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:51
jonnybgoode wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:49
What kind of concerns me is this longish stint that norris did towards the end of today...

2:13.038 41
1:37.605 42
1:38.281 43
1:38.286 44
1:38.518 45
1:38.243 46
1:38.652 47
1:38.607 48
1:38.536 49
1:38.389 50
1:38.387 51
1:41.998 52

these times don't look particularly good to me even with a full tank.
When you see times so consistent, they are driving to a delta.
It's hottest part of the day, old tires, full of fuel. We'd need to see what times were others doing at that time.

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Just saw this.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/02/ ... loopholes/

For anyone that think being "technically" legal is enough.
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jonnybgoode wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:49
What kind of concerns me is this longish stint that norris did towards the end of today...

2:13.038 41
1:37.605 42
1:38.281 43
1:38.286 44
1:38.518 45
1:38.243 46
1:38.652 47
1:38.607 48
1:38.536 49
1:38.389 50
1:38.387 51
1:41.998 52

these times don't look particularly good to me even with a full tank.
Do you know which tires he used? For comparison, this was Perez on C2 in his race sim (on Saturday I think)
36.367
37.376
37.329
37.999
38.074
37.596
37.618
38.114
38.529
38.877
38.692
38.355
38.032
38.406
39.536
38.755
38.718
38.024

McL-H
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FittingMechanics wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:57
kfrantzios wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:51
jonnybgoode wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:49
What kind of concerns me is this longish stint that norris did towards the end of today...

2:13.038 41
1:37.605 42
1:38.281 43
1:38.286 44
1:38.518 45
1:38.243 46
1:38.652 47
1:38.607 48
1:38.536 49
1:38.389 50
1:38.387 51
1:41.998 52

these times don't look particularly good to me even with a full tank.
When you see times so consistent, they are driving to a delta.
It's hottest part of the day, old tires, full of fuel. We'd need to see what times were others doing at that time.
Leclerc was doing high 1.36’s-1.37’s at that time in race sim. But I don’t recall what tyre he was on.

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mwillems wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:58
Just saw this.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/02/ ... loopholes/

For anyone that think being "technically" legal is enough.
They can’t do that, can they? They will destroy F1 if they do.. A car is designed in perfect harmony. You can’t just alter one part. If they do this, your entire season can be done with. Especially with the budget cap. It is unfair to change rules mid season. If you did not manage to close loopholes in time, you didn’t do a good enough job, while the team did a great job. Operating in the grey area of the regulations is a beautiful part of F1. Like Red Bull’s flex wings, McLaren’s F-duct or Mercedes DAS system.

If I read it, it is almost as if Ross is butthurt because F1 teams outsmarted the big legendary Ross Brawn and this is his shot to get it his way anyway. I hope teams will stand against this. This plan is destructive to the sport.

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They have been able to do it in the past but in a less direct way. The "spirit" of the rules has died and been resurected on several occasions.

I doubt that the diffuser will be banned, its just a response to those who think technicality is worth much.

Since the new concorde, the power has moved back from the teams.
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jonnybgoode wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:49
What kind of concerns me is this longish stint that norris did towards the end of today...

2:13.038 41
1:37.605 42
1:38.281 43
1:38.286 44
1:38.518 45
1:38.243 46
1:38.652 47
1:38.607 48
1:38.536 49
1:38.389 50
1:38.387 51
1:41.998 52

these times don't look particularly good to me even with a full tank.
kfrantzios wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 23:21
After plotting some stint times, what i find interesting is the downward trend of RIC's lap times compared to others. This could mean that MCL35M is really nice on tires.
https://i.imgur.com/qyzqZJM.png
Then look Ric's times, in his stint, which I think look very ...intriguing. It makes me optimistic.

One another thing that Mclaren did, is to make the engine transition flawless. Last year, they found time to evolve MCL35 and homologate parts for MCL35M while they had resources on the engine transition and as it seems, they did a very good job.

Mansell89
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Looked a good solid test - some glimmers of promise on both longer and shorter runs.


My only niggling doubt is that it reminded me a bit of race 2 of the 2018 season where Merc were very average in Bahrain having dominated in Australia (and latterly elsewhere) and so it is dangerous to say they are off the pace and it’s also dangerous to get into pecking order in such hot temps and this type of circuit.

That said, I thought the drivers looked comfortable with the car, the engine integration so far has gone well and reliability solid, and there looks to be more pace in the car. Good signs of progress and we now wait for the opening 4-5 races to get a picture of how the pace compares with everyone else.

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Trackside observations from The-Race's Edd Straw.

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"The ace in the midfield pack is the McLaren. Daniel Ricciardo appears confident under braking and in corner entry. While plenty of drivers have moments, the McLaren rolls serenely through. For a car that was a little sensitive to the wind last year, that’s an encouraging development.
Overall, the Mercedes-engined MCL35M is a step behind the Red Bull in terms of catching the eye, but it responds to Ricciardo and giving him the balance he needs to carry the speed into the apex without struggling to rotate the car."

On the Ferrari

"but if the body language of Ricciardo’s McLaren is decisive, the Ferrari is a little tentative. While it’s not slow or all over the place, it’s just not quite together."

https://the-race.com/formula-1/how-2021 ... e-verdict/
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The data below shows the speed traces for Testing versus 2020’s FP1 (When running Race Simulations), the data is eliminating laps were DRS was used to have a better comparison.

The Mercedes PU would seem to already be having a positive impact in regards to straight line speed, wind direction could also be playing a role in the comparison and the author tried to eliminate Tow’s were possible.

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