To be honest, your guess is just as good as mine, and as good as Marcin Budkowski. Nobody knows what is going on at Mercedes, and we won't know for sure until they hit the track again in 10 days' time.zibby43 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 00:24At first I thought it was just honest skepticism, but some of the claims made today are a bridge too far.
Respectfully, struggling to make it to Q3 is far-fetched enough, in and of itself. *If* Red Bull are genuinely ahead right now, it's still close between them and Mercedes. Those 2 teams are in a class of their own.
I don't know what you've seen that has led you to making the struggling to make Q3 claims.
Overheating gearbox? They had a gear selection issue on day 1. After that was changed out, their gearbox was OK.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 12:23
Reports are already coming out that they are suffering from flow detachment at the rear and a overheating gearbox. If this is true, (and that's a big if), given restricted CFD time and homologation of certain parts, they can't just spend their way out of it this season, unlike prior seasons. Their ability to get themselves out of this will largely depend on the severity of the issues, IMO.
My thoughts exactly... it’s the same every year, they put their heads down and in two weeks time will blitz the field while saying we thought it was a lot closer. This isn’t Mercedes fastest track either...SiLo wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 12:36It honestly looked liked a tyre issue more than an aero issue. They were probably still finding the right aero balance but with issues switching on the rear tyres on a rear limited track, it just compounds and makes things worse.
I'm almost remit to make a judgement until we get to a non-rear-limited track and see where people are. There aren't too many tracks on the calendar that are rear limited to it makes sense to actually focus on a base setup that leans more towards front limited or non limited tracks.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... e/5729889/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:00Overheating gearbox? They had a gear selection issue on day 1. After that was changed out, their gearbox was OK.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 12:23
Reports are already coming out that they are suffering from flow detachment at the rear and a overheating gearbox. If this is true, (and that's a big if), given restricted CFD time and homologation of certain parts, they can't just spend their way out of it this season, unlike prior seasons. Their ability to get themselves out of this will largely depend on the severity of the issues, IMO.
As for flow separation, do you have a reference/link? It would be interesting to see images if the rear wing with flow viz on it.
I can't find a link to the flow separation claims, but either way it's been well reported they have an unstable/unpredictable rear end.Brackley's team took aerodynamics to the extreme to recover the lost load with the new FIA rules. The gearbox overheats from lack of cooling and breaks down. To avoid trouble, the gearshifts were slowed down and the engine was deflated.
It could be believable if it didnt include the gearbox overheating. As others have said, Bottas did 1 slow instalation lap, then they changed the gearbox and ran problem free with the gearbox as far as we know.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:58https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... e/5729889/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:00Overheating gearbox? They had a gear selection issue on day 1. After that was changed out, their gearbox was OK.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 12:23
Reports are already coming out that they are suffering from flow detachment at the rear and a overheating gearbox. If this is true, (and that's a big if), given restricted CFD time and homologation of certain parts, they can't just spend their way out of it this season, unlike prior seasons. Their ability to get themselves out of this will largely depend on the severity of the issues, IMO.
As for flow separation, do you have a reference/link? It would be interesting to see images if the rear wing with flow viz on it.
Motorsport IT (Franco Nugnes) is reporting that they have run the engine massively detuned (which is supported by the top speed they've achieved throughout the weekend) because of that problem; supposedly cooling solution at the back is too extreme and the gearbox is overheating. AMR and Merc have the most aggressive (smallest) outlets at the back which seems to jive with this.
I can't find a link to the flow separation claims, but either way it's been well reported they have an unstable/unpredictable rear end.Brackley's team took aerodynamics to the extreme to recover the lost load with the new FIA rules. The gearbox overheats from lack of cooling and breaks down. To avoid trouble, the gearshifts were slowed down and the engine was deflated.
I doubt anyone in the team will have told him that so it sounds like a bit of hand waving rumour.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:58https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... e/5729889/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:00Overheating gearbox? They had a gear selection issue on day 1. After that was changed out, their gearbox was OK.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 12:23
Reports are already coming out that they are suffering from flow detachment at the rear and a overheating gearbox. If this is true, (and that's a big if), given restricted CFD time and homologation of certain parts, they can't just spend their way out of it this season, unlike prior seasons. Their ability to get themselves out of this will largely depend on the severity of the issues, IMO.
As for flow separation, do you have a reference/link? It would be interesting to see images if the rear wing with flow viz on it.
Motorsport IT (Franco Nugnes) is reporting that they have run the engine massively detuned (which is supported by the top speed they've achieved throughout the weekend) because of that problem; supposedly cooling solution at the back is too extreme and the gearbox is overheating. AMR and Merc have the most aggressive (smallest) outlets at the back which seems to jive with this.
I can't find a link to the flow separation claims, but either way it's been well reported they have an unstable/unpredictable rear end.Brackley's team took aerodynamics to the extreme to recover the lost load with the new FIA rules. The gearbox overheats from lack of cooling and breaks down. To avoid trouble, the gearshifts were slowed down and the engine was deflated.
They've also run their engine more detuned than anybody else, and that includes Williams and McLaren who, coincidentally, do not use Merc gearboxes. And by they, I meant both Merc and AMR, who share similar rear ends (gearbox + aero) and have encountered said issues.NathanOlder wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 14:34It could be believable if it didnt include the gearbox overheating. As others have said, Bottas did 1 slow instalation lap, then they changed the gearbox and ran problem free with the gearbox as far as we know.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:58https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... e/5729889/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:00
Overheating gearbox? They had a gear selection issue on day 1. After that was changed out, their gearbox was OK.
As for flow separation, do you have a reference/link? It would be interesting to see images if the rear wing with flow viz on it.
Motorsport IT (Franco Nugnes) is reporting that they have run the engine massively detuned (which is supported by the top speed they've achieved throughout the weekend) because of that problem; supposedly cooling solution at the back is too extreme and the gearbox is overheating. AMR and Merc have the most aggressive (smallest) outlets at the back which seems to jive with this.
I can't find a link to the flow separation claims, but either way it's been well reported they have an unstable/unpredictable rear end.Brackley's team took aerodynamics to the extreme to recover the lost load with the new FIA rules. The gearbox overheats from lack of cooling and breaks down. To avoid trouble, the gearshifts were slowed down and the engine was deflated.
Yes, plus the gearbox is not cooled by air. Even if it was an issue, they just need to get a bit more air to the oil cooler in the sidepot which means closing or opening the cooling as usual. I guess this topic will just vanish. The track temp was very high, crosswinds, etc...on a normal weekend in Europe this will be more than ok. I am even asking myself if they did not run a cooling solution that was designed for a usual European race as more races will be in colder conditions to get more relevant setup and aero data.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 14:42I doubt anyone in the team will have told him that so it sounds like a bit of hand waving rumour.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:58https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... e/5729889/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:00
Overheating gearbox? They had a gear selection issue on day 1. After that was changed out, their gearbox was OK.
As for flow separation, do you have a reference/link? It would be interesting to see images if the rear wing with flow viz on it.
Motorsport IT (Franco Nugnes) is reporting that they have run the engine massively detuned (which is supported by the top speed they've achieved throughout the weekend) because of that problem; supposedly cooling solution at the back is too extreme and the gearbox is overheating. AMR and Merc have the most aggressive (smallest) outlets at the back which seems to jive with this.
I can't find a link to the flow separation claims, but either way it's been well reported they have an unstable/unpredictable rear end.Brackley's team took aerodynamics to the extreme to recover the lost load with the new FIA rules. The gearbox overheats from lack of cooling and breaks down. To avoid trouble, the gearshifts were slowed down and the engine was deflated.
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Franco Nugnes is the king of rumors and totally unfounded claims.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 14:42I doubt anyone in the team will have told him that so it sounds like a bit of hand waving rumour.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:58https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... e/5729889/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:00
Overheating gearbox? They had a gear selection issue on day 1. After that was changed out, their gearbox was OK.
As for flow separation, do you have a reference/link? It would be interesting to see images if the rear wing with flow viz on it.
Motorsport IT (Franco Nugnes) is reporting that they have run the engine massively detuned (which is supported by the top speed they've achieved throughout the weekend) because of that problem; supposedly cooling solution at the back is too extreme and the gearbox is overheating. AMR and Merc have the most aggressive (smallest) outlets at the back which seems to jive with this.
I can't find a link to the flow separation claims, but either way it's been well reported they have an unstable/unpredictable rear end.Brackley's team took aerodynamics to the extreme to recover the lost load with the new FIA rules. The gearbox overheats from lack of cooling and breaks down. To avoid trouble, the gearshifts were slowed down and the engine was deflated.
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
That's what I thought - I thought I recognised the name from various Ferrari "rumours".LM10 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 15:13Franco Nugnes is the king of rumors and totally unfounded claims.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 14:42I doubt anyone in the team will have told him that so it sounds like a bit of hand waving rumour.mkay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 13:58
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... e/5729889/
Motorsport IT (Franco Nugnes) is reporting that they have run the engine massively detuned (which is supported by the top speed they've achieved throughout the weekend) because of that problem; supposedly cooling solution at the back is too extreme and the gearbox is overheating. AMR and Merc have the most aggressive (smallest) outlets at the back which seems to jive with this.
I can't find a link to the flow separation claims, but either way it's been well reported they have an unstable/unpredictable rear end.
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Was this posted after the test? The tokens thing is very intriguing. So many hints about it being obvious, but definitely nothing obvious on the car in the last few days.zibby43 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 22:33Courtesy of F1T member "LightningLewis"
I'm guessing the W12 we saw in Bahrain is not the W12 we will see in Bahrain.
https://i.ibb.co/Lzd9SfF/Screenshot-202 ... u-Tube.jpg
Posted in the comment section of this video, which dropped today:El Scorchio wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 23:23Was this posted after the test? The tokens thing is very intriguing. So many hints about it being obvious, but definitely nothing obvious on the car in the last few days.zibby43 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 22:33Courtesy of F1T member "LightningLewis"
I'm guessing the W12 we saw in Bahrain is not the W12 we will see in Bahrain.
https://i.ibb.co/Lzd9SfF/Screenshot-202 ... u-Tube.jpg