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Anyways, at the end, none of that matters. They had the faster car and Max should have passed Lewis when he could. Whole team had equal blame for not winning.
Not convinced by this at all.
1. The diff problem was causing accelerated rear tyre wear for Verstappen
2. Bottas matching Hamilton’s race pace suggests that Hamilton wasn’t doing anything special
The cars were equal on Sunday
I agree.
Mercedes was fastest car on sunday when looking at data, and also when looking at first sting it was clear verstappen can't pull away from hamilton: https://f1bythenumbers.com/2021-bahrain-gp-race-pace/ https://f1bythenumbers.com/wp-content/u ... top_10.png
Data already excludes all outlier laps. that includes laps behind SC, inlaps, outlaps..
Bottas' average pace was 0.05s off hamilton, and both are faster than Verstappen. Bottas has that fastest lap that makes him look a bit better, but he also had some laps behind leclerc at the start.
Would be so cool to see the detailed apex speeds for Verstappen on the laps before and after he had the 4 wheel slide when trying to mount the second attack. I wonder often how long such a momentary overheating would affect things.
Red Bull will not be standing still and will be keen to make up for its mistakes in Bahrain by hammering home its performance advantage.
"What we take away from Bahrain is that we have a quick car and 22 races left," Monaghan said. "It's not won and lost here.
"We have some developments in the pipeline for Imola, more for subsequent races. It's now a two-pronged fight.
"We need to put this car down on the ground and run so that it gives us no hiccups. We will put as much performance onto the car as we possibly can by Imola.
"Our destiny is in our control and we can't influence what Mercedes and everybody else wants to do. We've got to remain focused.
"We've identified some areas where the car can be improved and we will concentrate on those.
"We can't influence what the others do, so we've got to develop it, we've got to make it bulletproof and we've got to give Max and Checo a car they can drive as quickly as possible at Imola and Portugal and Spain and Monaco and wherever else we go.
"It's not all about going to Imola and chalking a win on the board to say 'we're world champions'. It's going to be a long fight for a long season and it's not won and lost here.
"There's a sense of disappointment in the garage which is felt by all, but we have a quick car. We have a fantastic pair of drivers and a good team.
"Everybody is aware that we are going to be challenging all the way through."
That right there is the right attitude to take, they know they have a car that can take it to Mercedes. They got caught napping but it won't happen again.
It doesn’t have to be an issue, I think, if I remember correctly, racing point had something similar last year?
But yes, it does make me concerned, plus checo car blackout max differential issues. Just 1 race underway. Nothing in testing and then in the outlap for checo and in the first race laps for Max there are already gremlins. Sigh.
The hard and medium tire seem to have equal performance in the race.
Imola uses the same tires as Bahrain, and like Bahrain it is mainly a rear limited circuit, although a positive front end is good for the high speed turns and changes of direction. The front tires can overheat, while the rear tires wear because so much is asked of them. The wear is slightly rear biased. The hard tire may be a better race tire than the medium for the second stint if nothing else because it can be used to stretch the stint, to be faster with a better tire at the end.
If Hamilton tries the undercut, use ALL the pace of the car and pit the following lap. Trust the team and the speed of their pit stops to keep your track position. From there you go on the same tire as he goes on because he will only drive long enough to get the performance out of the tires then pit again. If Bottas ends up winning so be it, in the end it's better that Bottas wins a few and takes points off Hamilton.
Perez needs to join this fight because then things will start getting really tasty.
I have a feeling that these new tires are not so good in qualifying performance, they're not as fast as last year's tires in qualifying, once the teams get on top of them they'll unlock a good chunk of time, particularly race pace.
The hard and medium tire seem to have equal performance in the race.
Imola uses the same tires as Bahrain, and like Bahrain it is mainly a rear limited circuit, although a positive front end is good for the high speed turns and changes of direction. The front tires can overheat, while the rear tires wear because so much is asked of them. The wear is slightly rear biased. The hard tire may be a better race tire than the medium for the second stint if nothing else because it can be used to stretch the stint, to be faster with a better tire at the end.
If Hamilton tries the undercut, use ALL the pace of the car and pit the following lap. Trust the team and the speed of their pit stops to keep your track position. From there you go on the same tire as he goes on because he will only drive long enough to get the performance out of the tires then pit again. If Bottas ends up winning so be it, in the end it's better that Bottas wins a few and takes points off Hamilton.
Perez needs to join this fight because then things will start getting really tasty.
I have a feeling that these new tires are not so good in qualifying performance, they're not as fast as last year's tires in qualifying, once the teams get on top of them they'll unlock a good chunk of time, particularly race pace.
I think 2006 Schumacher strategy would be good. Run slower and when Ham try to undercut put your real pace and make enough gap.
The hard and medium tire seem to have equal performance in the race.
Imola uses the same tires as Bahrain, and like Bahrain it is mainly a rear limited circuit, although a positive front end is good for the high speed turns and changes of direction. The front tires can overheat, while the rear tires wear because so much is asked of them. The wear is slightly rear biased. The hard tire may be a better race tire than the medium for the second stint if nothing else because it can be used to stretch the stint, to be faster with a better tire at the end.
If Hamilton tries the undercut, use ALL the pace of the car and pit the following lap. Trust the team and the speed of their pit stops to keep your track position. From there you go on the same tire as he goes on because he will only drive long enough to get the performance out of the tires then pit again. If Bottas ends up winning so be it, in the end it's better that Bottas wins a few and takes points off Hamilton.
Perez needs to join this fight because then things will start getting really tasty.
I have a feeling that these new tires are not so good in qualifying performance, they're not as fast as last year's tires in qualifying, once the teams get on top of them they'll unlock a good chunk of time, particularly race pace.
I think 2006 Schumacher strategy would be good. Run slower and when Ham try to undercut put your real pace and make enough gap.
That's how Vettel got Grosjean in Suzuka 2013, however it's so darn close between Ham and Ver that a lot of strategies that worked in the past may not work now.
Take a loop at his lap times, his tires where going off. Even before Lewis pitted, Max's lap times where getting slower.
~1:35.95 on laps 5 & 6.
~1:36.6 on lap 12 (the lap before Lewis pitted)
~1:37.0 on lap 16 (the lap before he pitted)
As soon as he came back out he was in the upper 1:34s, low 1:35s. He stayed there for a while as well, suggesting he was managing his tire on the second stint.
