yea, I don't believe a single word of that. The engines have literally been run to death on dynos. Not to mention they have no direct quotes from anyone to corroborate the story.
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yea, I don't believe a single word of that. The engines have literally been run to death on dynos. Not to mention they have no direct quotes from anyone to corroborate the story.
Imo, the clipping is most likely down to them changing the mapping to try and compensate for the aero/suspension issue. In other words robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Since the article wasn't written by PG Tech, I'd actually put some stock into it. Would explain the clipping issue, for sure.
zibby43 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 20:00Since the article wasn't written by PG Tech, I'd actually put some stock into it. Would explain the clipping issue, for sure.
I also found the part about Pirelli providing crap data to Mercedes very interesting. I'm guessing (hoping) all the teams got equally as bad data?
"Thanks to our sources we have come into possession of very interesting information. The multi-champion Mercedes team, after an accurate study on the functioning of the Pirelli compounds , would have found several discrepancies with respect to the data provided by the Italian manufacturer. This factor inevitably affected the performance of the Mercedes W12, so much so that the engineers are intervening both at the aerodynamic and mechanical level on the German single-seater, to try to correct and improve the performance of the car."
Getting the tires working correctly over a single lap will have a tremendous impact on pace.
The new plenum is not giving the desired results, not allowing to exploit the endothermic at 100%.
I wasnt talking about 29 times he drove over turn 4. That was the race controls fault since they are not fit to properly direct the race. I was talking about the lockuot that made him go off the track and how diferently would it end if the track would not be made as an airport. And slowly it is becoming frustrating to try to elaborate it, because you are still convinced i am saying this because i somehow dislike him. Let me repeat one more time: i highly dislike modern tracks where mistakes of drivers are unpunished since there are no gravel traps and no grass. And Lewis did a mistake. Luckely for him the track is designed in a way that drivers can continue without losing much time. It applies to all drivers. Can we move on now?El Scorchio wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 16:04If you're going to call lock ups in races mistakes, then the whole grid is equally guilty. All drivers make mistakes from time to time. Taking full advantage of allowed track limits is not making a mistake. It's using all the track legally available to you as you see fit. When it was outlawed mid race, he didn't do it any longer. That clearly indicates he wasn't doing it by mistake, otherwise he'd have continued doing it even after being told it was no longer ok. THAT would then be a mistake.proteus wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 15:40Since when is failing to corner correctly deemed as great skill? What i saw was that Lewis cracked under the pressure and locked up. If the track would be build to punish mistakes, he would have lost the lead or atleast a fair amount of time. Even Max would go off at some point. But what we have now are tracks that reward mistakemakers without losing too much time. No wonders modern F1 is so predictable in terms of driver and constructor titles.
Yeah, the tires component is very convincing. The way the new rear tires deform is particularly difficult to model, which is why the data Pirelli provides is so critical. They’ve goofed before.dans79 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 20:46
The tires issue i could see, but not the engine one.
This is the type of thing that would be tested to death on the test rig/dyno. If they had said the packaging was causing an issue, or that do to an aero issue they weren't getting the proper amount of cooling, I could see that. Basically, if it was something that could only be validated on track as an entire package in real world conditions I could believe it. But something as specific and verifiable as the plenum isn't working as expected smells fishy to me.
What video are you referring to?
That's what I was referring to initially when i said a packaging/cooling issue. If this was the case, an engineer wouldn't say it's a problem with the plenum though, they would have called it a cooling issue, or an internal aerodynamics issue etc. The plenum not working as efficiently as expected would be a side effect, not the root cause.
yea, as much as the media and to a decent extent the teams themselves have made it sound, a lot of aero stuff isn't actually homogenized.
Here’s the video:dans79 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 22:03What video are you referring to?
That's what I was referring to initially when i said a packaging/cooling issue. If this was the case, an engineer wouldn't say it's a problem with the plenum though, they would have called it a cooling issue, or an internal aerodynamics issue etc. The plenum not working as efficiently as expected would be a side effect, not the root cause.
yea, as much as the media and to a decent extent the teams themselves have made it sound, a lot of aero stuff isn't actually homogenized.
zibby43 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 22:55Here’s the video:dans79 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 22:03What video are you referring to?
That's what I was referring to initially when i said a packaging/cooling issue. If this was the case, an engineer wouldn't say it's a problem with the plenum though, they would have called it a cooling issue, or an internal aerodynamics issue etc. The plenum not working as efficiently as expected would be a side effect, not the root cause.
yea, as much as the media and to a decent extent the teams themselves have made it sound, a lot of aero stuff isn't actually homogenized.
https://youtu.be/6FPre_5qcmA
Definitely vague. Andy Cowell is a tough act to follow, too!dans79 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 23:26zibby43 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 22:55Here’s the video:dans79 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 22:03
What video are you referring to?
That's what I was referring to initially when i said a packaging/cooling issue. If this was the case, an engineer wouldn't say it's a problem with the plenum though, they would have called it a cooling issue, or an internal aerodynamics issue etc. The plenum not working as efficiently as expected would be a side effect, not the root cause.
yea, as much as the media and to a decent extent the teams themselves have made it sound, a lot of aero stuff isn't actually homogenized.
https://youtu.be/6FPre_5qcmA
His statement is so vague, that he could be talking about almost anything. Not to mention as soon as he finished saying they have issues, he said they have plans in place to fix all the issues before the first race.
The thing that sticks out the most to me, is that before he talked about issues, he mentioned they'd already delivered PUs to customers. Given that, I'd assume the things that needed fixed were software/firmware issues. Hardware related issue would be a major problem this close to the beginning of the season, and would strain relationships with customers.
It didnt exactly go unpunished. He lost time and momentum which resulted in Verstappen getting into his DRS immediately instead of a lap or two later. Had max been even closer at that point, the overtake would have likely been inevitable right there and then.
Well it's very good news then.zibby43 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2021, 06:51Here is an interesting article from F1 analyzing Max and Lewis' qualifying laps:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 0OnAd.html
Some informative excerpts:
2. Hamilton makes a mistake into Turn 10 which costs him approximately 0.3s to Verstappen. The balance of the Mercedes seems to be towards oversteer, as represented by Hamilton making several steering corrections.
3. Hamilton is using a different energy deployment strategy to Verstappen, stopping the deployment much earlier on the straights.
With the gap to pole ending up .388, the mistake made by Lewis suggests that the delta was potentially much closer because of the 3 tenths lost by Lewis.
On the subject of tire degradation, the Merc was very impressive in the final stint. Of course, it must be taken into account that Verstappen had a shorter final stint, and was able to push the tires harder.
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.png