2021 Ferrari F1 Team

[DoctorRadio]

Binotto: "Next year we will have a completely different configuration and our goal is not just to have bridged the gap, but to be the reference."

Renault have also said they're going split turbo next year

Do you have the link to these affirmations of Binotto?

[TechF1]

Italian edition of motorsport.com says it and here in Italy we consider it for sure as a lot of local sources are talking about this.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... 2/5578747/
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 2/5360485/

Are you kidding? It's a total bullsh*t from Nugnez, he wrote a lot about the "superfast" combustion, it never existed because Superfast it's a Ferrari's car name not a combustion. Many repost back his fantasies just to get attention from the numerous Ferrari's fans, but he never got a single real information.
He doesn't know the F1 regulamentations, he does not follow the F1 races, he just try to attract clicks.
It's insane think to rebuild a PU architecture just before an engine development freeze, it could possibly have been done maybe with this year PU, but they will not risk next seasons till 2025.
Anyway this it's a technichal forum not a place where to discuss about Nugnez visions or fans dreams and very soon this discussion will be deleted

Don't get too hot. It's only an engine. Think and say what you want as time will tell who's right.

I'm not getting hot for you.
Actually i'm just commenting about an italian site that never got a single "scoop".

[wowgr8]

Binotto: "Next year we will have a completely different configuration and our goal is not just to have bridged the gap, but to be the reference."

Renault have also said they're going split turbo next year

Do you have the link to these affirmations of Binotto?

I don't, I got the quote from an Italian journalist on Instagram, she didn't link a source, I presume he said it to Italian media

[wowgr8]

Usual fantastic analysis from Fede Albano: https://www.formulapassion.it/manifesto ... 59621.html

Some points worth noting (I recommend reading the article because there's a lot more detailed info)
- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola
- Ferrari are still worried about reliability so it's possible they chose a more tame mapping for the PU at Bahrain
- Ferrari's hybrid deployment strategy is supposedly very very good and allows them to hide any deficiencies they may have on the ICE side well

[JPower]

Usual fantastic analysis from Fede Albano: https://www.formulapassion.it/manifesto ... 59621.html

Some points worth noting (I recommend reading the article because there's a lot more detailed info)
- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola
- Ferrari are still worried about reliability so it's possible they chose a more tame mapping for the PU at Bahrain
- Ferrari's hybrid deployment strategy is supposedly very very good and allows them to hide any deficiencies they may have on the ICE side well

Great read.

[LM10]

Usual fantastic analysis from Fede Albano: https://www.formulapassion.it/manifesto ... 59621.html

Some points worth noting (I recommend reading the article because there's a lot more detailed info)
- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola
- Ferrari are still worried about reliability so it's possible they chose a more tame mapping for the PU at Bahrain
- Ferrari's hybrid deployment strategy is supposedly very very good and allows them to hide any deficiencies they may have on the ICE side well

Thank you for summarizing. One point I don’t understand though, is how can the Renault be close behind if they reportedly didn’t improve the PU and Mercedes and Honda (even more) both made significant improvements?

[PhillipM]

- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola

That Mclaren they defended themselves against had a huge chunk of rear diffuser missing after getting run into, that's a bit of a weird one to take as a benchmark...

[diffuser]

Did Ferrari switch to front compressor PU this year? Seem to remember they were going and they did but if feels like a dream now.

They will do next year.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-r ... ew-engine/

They will not for sure, the rumors are coming from a very well known as unreliable site.
Next year it's the last possible upgrade of these PU, just an insane engineer will work on a totally new engine system, without any possibility to further developing or fixing.

Not sure reliability fixes aren't allowed.

[TechF1]

They will do next year.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-r ... ew-engine/

They will not for sure, the rumors are coming from a very well known as unreliable site.
Next year it's the last possible upgrade of these PU, just an insane engineer will work on a totally new engine system, without any possibility to further developing or fixing.

Not sure reliability fixes aren't allowed.

Yes they are, but you have to explain what are you going to do on your PU and get the agree also from the other manufacturers and you'll get also penalty points using too much units during the season.

[JPower]

- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola

That Mclaren they defended themselves against had a huge chunk of rear diffuser missing after getting run into, that's a bit of a weird one to take as a benchmark...

It's a translation issue, I think "defended" means fought with here. This isn't really about Ricciardo, Sainz was clearly outpacing him at the end. Regardless, Ferrari is clearly running an inferior PU to either team and at a power track qualified and raced competitively with those teams.

[diffuser]

They will not for sure, the rumors are coming from a very well known as unreliable site.
Next year it's the last possible upgrade of these PU, just an insane engineer will work on a totally new engine system, without any possibility to further developing or fixing.

Not sure reliability fixes aren't allowed.

Yes they are, but you have to explain what are you going to do on your PU and get the agree also from the other manufacturers and you'll get also penalty points using too much units during the season.

Penalty points or starting further back in the race? Cause the 2 aren't the same. The First is dependent on how competitive the other teams are vs you. While the 2nd is probably the way it should have always been.

[diffuser]

- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola

That Mclaren they defended themselves against had a huge chunk of rear diffuser missing after getting run into, that's a bit of a weird one to take as a benchmark...

It's a translation issue, I think "defended" means fought with here. This isn't really about Ricciardo, Sainz was clearly outpacing him at the end. Regardless, Ferrari is clearly running an inferior PU to either team and at a power track qualified and raced competitively with those teams.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of "oh Ferrari had an advantage cause of the floor/diffuser issue". It happened. Keep it in the back of your mind as data. Fact is the liklyhood of being in a similar situation as Bahrain in the future is highly unlikely. There will always be several variables that will change in the future. Those changes will be track, track type, track temp, weather, multiple car aero upgrades number of PU used, tire selection, etc etc etc. Bahrain data will likely be of little concequence the next time we come close to a reencounter.

[ryaan2904]

They will not for sure, the rumors are coming from a very well known as unreliable site.
Next year it's the last possible upgrade of these PU, just an insane engineer will work on a totally new engine system, without any possibility to further developing or fixing.

Italian edition of motorsport.com says it and here in Italy we consider it for sure as a lot of local sources are talking about this.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... 2/5578747/
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 2/5360485/

Are you kidding? It's a total bullsh*t from Nugnez, he wrote a lot about the "superfast" combustion, it never existed because Superfast it's a Ferrari's car name not a combustion. Many repost back his fantasies just to get attention from the numerous Ferrari's fans, but he never got a single real information.
He doesn't know the F1 regulamentations, he does not follow the F1 races, he just try to attract clicks.
It's insane think to rebuild a PU architecture just before an engine development freeze, it could possibly have been done maybe with this year PU, but they will not risk next seasons till 2025.
Anyway this it's a technichal forum not a place where to discuss about Nugnez visions or fans dreams and very soon this discussion will be deleted

You know, Ferrari themselves have mentioned that they are working on a completely new engine for next year in their car launch video. Whether its that 'compressor in intake box' engine, we don't know. But that doesn't mean they cant work out a completely new concept. You gotta be ambitious if you wanna win a title. Also Renault definitely are working on a split turbo concept for next year.
These people know their stuff and the risks involved better than you do. Don't sweat yourself.

[ryaan2904]

Usual fantastic analysis from Fede Albano: https://www.formulapassion.it/manifesto ... 59621.html

Some points worth noting (I recommend reading the article because there's a lot more detailed info)
- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola
- Ferrari are still worried about reliability so it's possible they chose a more tame mapping for the PU at Bahrain
- Ferrari's hybrid deployment strategy is supposedly very very good and allows them to hide any deficiencies they may have on the ICE side well

This was a great read

[Xwang]

Usual fantastic analysis from Fede Albano: https://www.formulapassion.it/manifesto ... 59621.html

Some points worth noting (I recommend reading the article because there's a lot more detailed info)
- Mercedes and Honda about level, Renault close behind them and Ferrari are still behind, but the gap has been halved
- The SF21 defended itself very well at Bahrain up against 2 stronger power units and also 2 cars (McLaren and AlphaTauri) built for aero efficiency, this bodes very well for tracks more aero focused like Imola
- Ferrari are still worried about reliability so it's possible they chose a more tame mapping for the PU at Bahrain
- Ferrari's hybrid deployment strategy is supposedly very very good and allows them to hide any deficiencies they may have on the ICE side well

Thank you for summarizing. One point I don’t understand though, is how can the Renault be close behind if they reportedly didn’t improve the PU and Mercedes and Honda (even more) both made significant improvements?

The guy is measuring the acceleration differentiating the speed trace (I presume).
The acceleration gives you the difference between the tractive force and the resistive ones (drag, tyre friction) divided by the mass of the car.
Assuming the mass being the same, it is possible that differences in drag settings (at higher speeds) and gear ratios (which each team select on the basis of their engine and aero trying to optimize for the whole season) can explain what you have observed.
The so called "power factor" (obtained by multiplying acceleration by velocity), gives you a measure of the difference between power available and power required and is IMHO a better indicator because it should automatically take into account any difference in gear ratio.
Still any difference given by different drag settings between cars can affect the competitive order depicted.
Do you agree?