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[diffuser]

I meant to say "pulled out a gap in front ..." But forgot to type it down for some reason. Maybe my mind was someplace else.

ok. cool.

[SmallSoldier]

Lando’s and Hamilton’s lap... It’s impressive




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[Ground Effect]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YiczhhJdH3c

They are giving too much praise. In my opinion, the video is premature. They should have waited for a couple of more races before making such statements.

Qualifying was indeed impressive, but the race itself was a mess. Can't pull out any reliable data when you have so much chaos and changing conditions. And in the data that was "somewhat" reliable, it showed that McLaren still has a significant deficit in race pace to RedBull and Mercedes.

I agree totally, but it’s what they do. They have to churn out stuff, so they go with what’s hot. After Bahrain, it was all about Yuki, whom I think is fantastic, but too much praise too soon. McLaren have started well no doubt, but it’s not clear cut by any means. There really isn’t much of a buffer (if at all) to Ferrari and Alpha Tauri on pure pace. A little bit of bad luck and they would be writing same article about Ferrari.

[diffuser]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YiczhhJdH3c

They are giving too much praise. In my opinion, the video is premature. They should have waited for a couple of more races before making such statements.

Qualifying was indeed impressive, but the race itself was a mess. Can't pull out any reliable data when you have so much chaos and changing conditions. And in the data that was "somewhat" reliable, it showed that McLaren still has a significant deficit in race pace to RedBull and Mercedes.

I agree totally, but it’s what they do. They have to churn out stuff, so they go with what’s hot. After Bahrain, it was all about Yuki, whom I think is fantastic, but too much praise too soon. McLaren have started well no doubt, but it’s not clear cut by any means. There really isn’t much of a buffer (if at all) to Ferrari and Alpha Tauri on pure pace. A little bit of bad luck and they would be writing same article about Ferrari.

Yeah, alot of races to come.

[mwillems]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YiczhhJdH3c

They are giving too much praise. In my opinion, the video is premature. They should have waited for a couple of more races before making such statements.

Qualifying was indeed impressive, but the race itself was a mess. Can't pull out any reliable data when you have so much chaos and changing conditions. And in the data that was "somewhat" reliable, it showed that McLaren still has a significant deficit in race pace to RedBull and Mercedes.

I think the point is
that even if it turns out that the baseline performance is somewhat less competitive than it seems now,
the peaks will be close enough to the top teams to be a threat and to punish them if they underperform.

It does look good. If Merc and RB are in a closer fight then there will be times when accidents might happen, or even the fact that they are fighting on track might slow them down enough to allow us to catch up.

Our focus though is Ferrari because they will fight us for those breadcrumbs and indeed fighting with Ferrari may prevent us at times from riding with the big two, or even pull us back to the midfield.

With the cars and the knowledge of how to drive and setup the cars developing for several months, I expect to see a changeable order again like last year.

Crucial to Mclarens fortunes are also Perez and Bottas, who by finishing behind us on occasions are allowing the third best team at a given track to increase the points gained relative to the other teams behind.

When they get on it we will begin to finish in the places to which we are more accustomed.

[mwillems]

Like "He-Man", Lando has the power.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... ImfLR.html

[MrGapes]

Should we expect to see updates in Portimao?

[diffuser]

Norris was way ahead of Leclerc on the restart even before braking zone because ferrari PU simply has less power than Mercedes and because leclerc completely missed the restart and imo deserved to be overtaken. He didn't need soft tyres at all to make that move stick. Only on standing start would softs come into play, but that didn't happen. I think teams didn't even know which one it'll be until mid way to the grid?

I’m no expert and didn’t see the actual overtake. But maybe a reason why leclerc missed the restart compared to Norris was because Norris could go full throttle faster because of his tire advantage? Just a tiny tenth or two could make a difference.
Just a thought! Anyways good race and it’s starting to feel good being a McLaren supporter again!

I agree, the softs are generally .7 of a second a lap faster.... Following a safety car for a lap or more is just gonna increase that gap between those 2 tire types. Keeping temp in the tires is problematic during a safety car period. The softs will fire up after a couple of turns and the medium will take a couple of laps. This is further complicated by all the wet spots on that track at that time. If you go off line you further retard the warm up time.

[diffuser]

They are giving too much praise. In my opinion, the video is premature. They should have waited for a couple of more races before making such statements.

Qualifying was indeed impressive, but the race itself was a mess. Can't pull out any reliable data when you have so much chaos and changing conditions. And in the data that was "somewhat" reliable, it showed that McLaren still has a significant deficit in race pace to RedBull and Mercedes.

I think the point is
that even if it turns out that the baseline performance is somewhat less competitive than it seems now,
the peaks will be close enough to the top teams to be a threat and to punish them if they underperform.

It does look good. If Merc and RB are in a closer fight then there will be times when accidents might happen, or even the fact that they are fighting on track might slow them down enough to allow us to catch up.

Our focus though is Ferrari because they will fight us for those breadcrumbs and indeed fighting with Ferrari may prevent us at times from riding with the big two, or even pull us back to the midfield.

With the cars and the knowledge of how to drive and setup the cars developing for several months, I expect to see a changeable order again like last year.

Crucial to Mclarens fortunes are also Perez and Bottas, who by finishing behind us on occasions are allowing the third best team at a given track to increase the points gained relative to the other teams behind.

When they get on it we will begin to finish in the places to which we are more accustomed.

Don't forget how close last year was. McLaren is only 4 points ahead of last year after 2 races.

[diffuser]

Should we expect to see updates in Portimao?

So McLaren brought a minor update to Imola(rear wing enplate)....Regardless, we're going into back to back races. It's gonna be hard to have updates for the 2nd race, upates for the first race should benifit both races. So yes I would expect updates. McLaren are usually pretty good about being updates on a regular basis.

[mclaren111]

Should we expect to see updates in Portimao?

So McLaren brought a minor update to Imola(rear wing enplate)....Regardless, we're going into back to back races. It's gonna be hard to have updates for the 2nd race, upates for the first race should benifit both races. So yes I would expect updates. McLaren are usually pretty good about being updates on a regular basis.

They seem to bring smaller updates more regurlarly than one large update for the last couple of years...

[mwillems]

I think the point is
that even if it turns out that the baseline performance is somewhat less competitive than it seems now,
the peaks will be close enough to the top teams to be a threat and to punish them if they underperform.

It does look good. If Merc and RB are in a closer fight then there will be times when accidents might happen, or even the fact that they are fighting on track might slow them down enough to allow us to catch up.

Our focus though is Ferrari because they will fight us for those breadcrumbs and indeed fighting with Ferrari may prevent us at times from riding with the big two, or even pull us back to the midfield.

With the cars and the knowledge of how to drive and setup the cars developing for several months, I expect to see a changeable order again like last year.

Crucial to Mclarens fortunes are also Perez and Bottas, who by finishing behind us on occasions are allowing the third best team at a given track to increase the points gained relative to the other teams behind.

When they get on it we will begin to finish in the places to which we are more accustomed.

Don't forget how close last year was. McLaren is only 4 points ahead of last year after 2 races.

Yeah this is true, we had a blinding start to the season, fortune gave us a little boost, many thought Mclaren were back in the big time, and then reality kicked in and we were quickly mired in the midfield treacle, scrapping to take points from each of the teams around us.

It does seem a little different this year. It may not play out like this, but it seems like there are 2 teams in the leading pack, two teams in the chasing pack chasing and then the midfield, AR, Williams and HAAS. So hopefully we will only have Ferrari regularly taking points from us.

But then it's easy to say it's seems different, one of the two races had very changeable conditions will have helped some teams and not others. Imola race day became a little more about the drivers than usual. After race 7 or 8 the messy start will have unfolded and we will have the story of the season unfolding. And of course the updates that can shape the course of the season too.

[mclaren111]

Should we expect to see updates in Portimao?

So McLaren brought a minor update to Imola(rear wing enplate)....Regardless, we're going into back to back races. It's gonna be hard to have updates for the 2nd race, upates for the first race should benifit both races. So yes I would expect updates. McLaren are usually pretty good about being updates on a regular basis.

Do you have a picture ?

[mwillems]

Should we expect to see updates in Portimao?

So McLaren brought a minor update to Imola(rear wing enplate)....Regardless, we're going into back to back races. It's gonna be hard to have updates for the 2nd race, upates for the first race should benifit both races. So yes I would expect updates. McLaren are usually pretty good about being updates on a regular basis.

Do you have a picture ?

It's in the car thread.

Here it is, quoted:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzB9ogiXMAk ... ame=medium

See how streams are distributed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzFtSAfW8AM ... name=large
From Alessandro Arcari

[mclaren111]

So McLaren brought a minor update to Imola(rear wing enplate)....Regardless, we're going into back to back races. It's gonna be hard to have updates for the 2nd race, upates for the first race should benifit both races. So yes I would expect updates. McLaren are usually pretty good about being updates on a regular basis.

Do you have a picture ?

It's in the car thread.

Here it is, quoted:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzB9ogiXMAk ... ame=medium

See how streams are distributed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzFtSAfW8AM ... name=large
From Alessandro Arcari

Is that a Rear Wing Endplate ?