2021 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, May 07 - 09

[dans79]

Brundle is usually the only one who calls him out on his BS. The others just give him a platform to spout out his nonsense.

That's because brundle still a racer first, and a commentator second. A lot of the others are nothing but commentators.

Oh please.

Believe whatever you want, but the multiple issues Red Bull has had with track limits are purely on them as they've literally had written and color-coded rules handed to them.

[godlameroso]

I believe what I see with my eyes. You act like Norris didn't care about having his time deleted. You act like Verstappen is still throwing a tantrum.

Furthermore it doesn't matter at this GP, abusing track limits is either extremely obvious or it damages your car.

Also those pink letters are recent additions to the rules. Showing that they're not consistent, or even well thought out if they need so much revision.

[F1Krof]

3.5 minutes into 1st practice: Mazespins!

[dans79]

I believe what I see with my eyes.

Also those pink letters are recent additions to the rules. Showing that they're not consistent, or even well thought out if they need so much revision.

You might want to schedule an appointment with an optometrist then, because the highlighted pink revisions have been around for a while.

for example here is Revision 2 of the race directors notes from lasts years Spanish grand prix . Lo and behold the track limit revisions are highlighted in pink.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... sion_2.pdf

[godlameroso]

That's this year 6 May 2021 was yesterday. My eyes work just fine, yours on the other hand...

[dans79]

That's this year 6 May 2021 was yesterday. My eyes work just fine, yours on the other hand...

Sorry, wrong link (that's what I get for responding via a phone), none the less here is the 2020 Spanish grand prix, race directors notes, and the track limit revisions are highlighted in pink.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... sion_2.pdf

even in 2017 & 2018 they used pink for updates:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... _notes.pdf

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... doc_31.pdf

[Hoffman900]

That's because brundle still a racer first, and a commentator second. A lot of the others are nothing but commentators.

Oh please.

Believe whatever you want, but the multiple issues Red Bull has had with track limits are purely on them as they've literally had written and color-coded rules handed to them.

This. The rules are the same for everyone.

Marko and Christian aren’t dumb, and they were both pretty good drivers themselves. They know full well the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the media is there to be manipulated and amplify whatever it is they want changed (to suit what they want). Toto , the drivers, and everyone else does the same as well, and people eat all of this up (this forum makes that really obvious).

[NathanOlder]

That's this year 6 May 2021 was yesterday. My eyes work just fine, yours on the other hand...

Sorry, wrong link (that's what I get for responding via a phone), none the less here is the 2020 Spanish grand prix, race directors notes, and the track limit revisions are highlighted in pink.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... sion_2.pdf

even in 2017 & 2018 they used pink for updates:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... _notes.pdf

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... doc_31.pdf

It's almost like its done in pink to bring attention to it and help everyone see it.

[yelistener]

... But they travel on a longer path and the back straight is effectively slightly longer aswell, I really doubt the new layout is anywhere near 1 second faster...

New layout is just 18m longer. Even with the apex speed 110km/h you just need a little over 0.5s to go over that distance.

30km/h higher in a slow corner like that would actually mean a lot more than 1s. For example, 2-3 km/h higher through La Source can be worth 1-2 tenths. With 30km/h higher it not only speeds up the cornering but also shortens the braking on entry and partial throttle on exit.

I lowballed with 1s because I don't want to make 2021 pace sound too bad lol

Official track lenght is basically just the lenght of a measuring line stretched across the middle of the track, how much more do the cars travel on the new racing line, really?... The old corner was effectively a 90 degree right angle turn, very low apex speed, but hard on the throttle on exit, the new T10 is a constant, long radius corner with obviously a much higher minimum speed, but progressive acceleration and a much more acute approach angle to T11... And again, I didn't say the new section wasn't any faster, just definitely not 1s+ faster...

I think you changed my mind a little bit. After a closer look at the track map comparing to the previous layout, yes the layout update didn't just change T10, it changed T11 and their T12 approach as well. Bacically they now had to compromise the throttle a little bit through T11 to get a better angle for T12 entry, so while they gained quite a bit at T10, the section between T10-12 with a longer distance doesn't look like a benefit.

[Hoffman900]

Watching Bottas’ in-car, the Merc looks a little understeer-y.

Caveat being I haven’t seen anyone else's in-car.

[mkay]

Watching Bottas’ in-car, the Merc looks a little understeer-y.

Caveat being I haven’t seen anyone else's in-car.

Merc were telling AMuS pre-weekend that they were wary of the rear tyres overheating through the lap, so doesn't surprise me if they dial in understeer to counter that.

[Herr_Koos]

Top 16 cars within a second with 20 minutes to go in FP2. Insanely tight.

[dans79]

Watching Bottas’ in-car, the Merc looks a little understeer-y.

Caveat being I haven’t seen anyone else's in-car.

Merc were telling AMuS pre-weekend that they were wary of the rear tyres overheating through the lap, so doesn't surprise me if they dial in understeer to counter that.

I think the big plus, is that it looks fast and no longer twitchy like it did in Bahrain testing.

[Hoffman900]

It will be interesting to see how tire degradation looks. Redbull is struggling with the left front in terms of tire temp. Looking at a track map, I would assume the left front would take a pounding.

If Merc dialed in some understeer, it’ll be interesting to see how this all works out.

[zubster]

Agreed Merc's looking a far cry from the first race. Whats happening with the Red Bull's on the soft? Struggling to get them into the window?