I think 'exact same' is an over-eager diagnosis from one un-sourced Italian story. Also, wasnt the Tsonda retirement fuel pressure?
I think 'exact same' is an over-eager diagnosis from one un-sourced Italian story. Also, wasnt the Tsonda retirement fuel pressure?
Seriously, you know, being a race winning engine and "enormous" power, it is nothing like the RA615H. It's a beast trying to break free of it's shackles.
I agree about the 'over-eager' conclusion. As long as no other serious source comes up with something of a confirmation there is no reason to believe it.
Seriously, you know, being a race winning engine and "enormous" power, it is nothing like the RA615H. It's a beast trying to break free of it's shackles.
Before Honda had to turn down their PUs they were clearly demonstrating power that made Mercedes worried and Toto and Lewis saying the Honda engine was ahead. The word enormous came from Toto himself.PhillipM wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 16:49Doesn't mean they fixed it, it might just mean they're back to pushing things so hard now they know they're in with a shot and so close to Mercedes (and they're happy to give it everything in the last year regardless), that they're getting instabilities back and that's bringing the same issues up.
this is just what you want to see and very far away from realities.PhillipM wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 16:49Doesn't mean they fixed it, it might just mean they're back to pushing things so hard now they know they're in with a shot and so close to Mercedes (and they're happy to give it everything in the last year regardless), that they're getting instabilities back and that's bringing the same issues up.
This are nonesense. Honda didn't completely change pu when they start working with TR and that was a decent pu. After that McLaren themselfs also understand that problem was not Honda but themself. This understanding bring McLaren where they are now. But fanboys still talks with eric bollier headPhillipM wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 14:27Okay let me answer that with knowledge straight from Mclaren when they were running the Hondas then - the Honda engines didn't even quite meet the minimum weight limits, especially not the split turbo one - the 3 year old merc was lighter in that guise - yet that didn't have a problem - so no, it wasn't a lightweighting issue.
It's was a size and stiffness issue, combined with unstable combustion, that created vibration problems with things like cracking exhausts, oil lines, connectors, etc.
You sit here and tell me there's no issues yet the Honda cars are chewing through components already, there's gearbox issues on all the cars, and Max has been complaining almost every race telling the team the gearbox fluffed or skipped a shift when he gets on the power out of a corner (shifts are so fast these days that's usually an instability issue that they can't keep up with) - this is the exact same stuff that happened at Mclaren when they ran a smaller block and pushed the combustion side as far as they could trying to keep up.
Am I saying there *is* a vibration issue? No, I'm saying you shouldn't be dismissing a source when there's signs there might be, there's enough info to start to correlate things but that's all at the moment.
Especially with silly comments like this that add nothing:Seriously, you know, being a race winning engine and "enormous" power, it is nothing like the RA615H. It's a beast trying to break free of it's shackles.
Can't be anything wrong, it's a 'beast'
Don't be silly, every PU on the grid has room for improvement.
The same thing kind of holds true from the other side of argument as well.etusch wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 18:20this is just what you want to see and very far away from realities.PhillipM wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 16:49Doesn't mean they fixed it, it might just mean they're back to pushing things so hard now they know they're in with a shot and so close to Mercedes (and they're happy to give it everything in the last year regardless), that they're getting instabilities back and that's bringing the same issues up.
Driver ES CE Yuki 3 3 Pierre 2 2 Sergio 2 2 Max 1 1
However, it is not mentioned in that overview that the parts are all still in the pool, because upon further investigationdans79 wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 18:50The same thing kind of holds true from the other side of argument as well.etusch wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 18:20this is just what you want to see and very far away from realities.PhillipM wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 16:49Doesn't mean they fixed it, it might just mean they're back to pushing things so hard now they know they're in with a shot and so close to Mercedes (and they're happy to give it everything in the last year regardless), that they're getting instabilities back and that's bringing the same issues up.
Even if you set aside RBR vs Merc, how do you explain the drop in relative performance of Alpha Tauri? Gasly qualified 5th in Bahrain and Imola, but 9th in portugal, and 12th in Spain.
here is the pre event PU component usage document from Monaco.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... to_now.pdf
Honda powered cars are the only ones to use more than 1 ES or CE.Driver ES CE Yuki 3 3 Pierre 2 2 Sergio 2 2 Max 1 1
I thought them still being in the pool would be a given.Wouter wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 19:41However, it is not mentioned in that overview that the parts are all still in the pool, because upon further investigation
it turned out that there was nothing wrong with the exception of an ES from Gasly that was no longer usable.
Yuki crashed and then they replaced all 5 components, because he had to start at the back anyway.
If you place an overview here or elsewhere, it is nice to place the whole in the correct context and to mention it.