2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

[Big Tea]

Any thoughts on how Lewis drove two full laps, with magic switched on and had to ask Bono if it was on? It would be visible/obvious for Lewis there was something wrong after the first second corner? Almost no brakes on the rear axle.

He must have noticed on the second corner and instinctive adjust bbal on the back straight?

He used it as he was supposed to in the lead up to the restart. Turned it off. Then accidentally turned it back on. He recognised that he must have done so by the behaviour of the car. And thus he asked the question.

Action. Expected response from car. Action followed by inadvertent action in error. Unexpected response from car. Query.

It's not difficult.

What NL_Fer meant was how did Lewis manage 2 laps behind the Haas cars with the brake magic on. The way Lewis asked after the race sounded like he was asking "was it on?" like he wasn't sure. So if he wasn't sure, he must have driven 2 full racing laps with it on.

He did not know at that time that it was on. He thought he had a brakes fault, so did not even try to pass or gain places.

[NathanOlder]

He used it as he was supposed to in the lead up to the restart. Turned it off. Then accidentally turned it back on. He recognised that he must have done so by the behaviour of the car. And thus he asked the question.

Action. Expected response from car. Action followed by inadvertent action in error. Unexpected response from car. Query.

It's not difficult.

What NL_Fer meant was how did Lewis manage 2 laps behind the Haas cars with the brake magic on. The way Lewis asked after the race sounded like he was asking "was it on?" like he wasn't sure. So if he wasn't sure, he must have driven 2 full racing laps with it on.

He did not know at that time that it was on. He thought he had a brakes fault, so did not even try to pass or gain places.

Ah ok, cheers. So there was absolutely nothing on the dash to say it was on, thats crazy!

[214270]

What NL_Fer meant was how did Lewis manage 2 laps behind the Haas cars with the brake magic on. The way Lewis asked after the race sounded like he was asking "was it on?" like he wasn't sure. So if he wasn't sure, he must have driven 2 full racing laps with it on.

He did not know at that time that it was on. He thought he had a brakes fault, so did not even try to pass or gain places.

Ah ok, cheers. So there was absolutely nothing on the dash to say it was on, thats crazy!

Forget a dash notification, it looks like the team didn’t even notify him until the end of the race lol; dunno why that wasn’t immediately relayed to him.

[e30ernest]

He did not know at that time that it was on. He thought he had a brakes fault, so did not even try to pass or gain places.

Ah ok, cheers. So there was absolutely nothing on the dash to say it was on, thats crazy!

Forget a dash notification, it looks like the team didn’t even notify him until the end of the race lol; dunno why that wasn’t immediately relayed to him.

I haven't heard the team radio apart from what was shown on TV, but from what I understand is the team probably told him after the first corner. His question at the end of the race was in the lines of whether he left it on, meaning he knew at that point it was on. I don't think he would have been able to drive that car with it on for the entire 2 laps.

[214270]

Ah ok, cheers. So there was absolutely nothing on the dash to say it was on, thats crazy!

Forget a dash notification, it looks like the team didn’t even notify him until the end of the race lol; dunno why that wasn’t immediately relayed to him.

I haven't heard the team radio apart from what was shown on TV, but from what I understand is the team probably told him after the first corner. His question at the end of the race was in the lines of whether he left it on, meaning he knew at that point it was on. I don't think he would have been able to drive that car with it on for the entire 2 laps.

Yeah you could be right; there might’ve been an intermediary exchange which wasn’t played out for TV.

[NL_Fer]

I wish we could have a full radio transcript of those last 2 laps...

[dans79]

I wish we could have a full radio transcript of those last 2 laps...

if you have an F1 TV subscription, you can go back and watch a drivers onboard, and here all radio communication between him and the team.

[zibby43]

Perspective indeed.

[mkay]

Biggest positive development shared in the video seems to be that they think they’ve figured out their front tire warmup issues going forward, and just need another FP session to confirm.

I'll believe it when I'll see it. Disappointing that it took them this long to figure it out.

They'll probably have to wait until Austria to test that out as they technically shouldn't have a problem with warmup at Paul Ricard.

Perspective indeed.

https://twitter.com/somersf1/status/140 ... 16419?s=21

Fair enough re: Monaco, but Baku has always been a good hunting ground for Merc, even when they had issues with tyres in 2017-18.

Nobody really knows what the pecking order will look like once we return to conventional tracks. That said, I think it's very clear teams like Ferrari and RB have made huge steps forward which makes sense as they have been more aggressive in introducing new bits. RB in particular seems to have cured its tyre woes.

[zibby43]

Biggest positive development shared in the video seems to be that they think they’ve figured out their front tire warmup issues going forward, and just need another FP session to confirm.

I'll believe it when I'll see it. Disappointing that it took them this long to figure it out.

They'll probably have to wait until Austria to test that out as they technically shouldn't have a problem with warmup at Paul Ricard.

Perspective indeed.

https://twitter.com/somersf1/status/140 ... 16419?s=21

Fair enough re: Monaco, but Baku has always been a good hunting ground for Merc, even when they had issues with tyres in 2017-18.

Nobody really knows what the pecking order will look like once we return to conventional tracks. That said, I think it's very clear teams like Ferrari and RB have made huge steps forward which makes sense as they have been more aggressive in introducing new bits. RB in particular seems to have cured its tyre woes.

As Somers pointed out, major reg. change this year though, and Baku was never going to suit the W12 this year.

I think Merc would’ve been out-qualified in Baku in 2019 (no race there in ‘20) if LEC hadn’t crashed.

Ferrari will fall down the order at traditional circuits, and we’ll see if RB’s tire-eating behavior is really gone when harder compounds and longer duration, higher-energy corners are back.

[Juzh]

Forget a dash notification, it looks like the team didn’t even notify him until the end of the race lol; dunno why that wasn’t immediately relayed to him.

I haven't heard the team radio apart from what was shown on TV, but from what I understand is the team probably told him after the first corner. His question at the end of the race was in the lines of whether he left it on, meaning he knew at that point it was on. I don't think he would have been able to drive that car with it on for the entire 2 laps.

Yeah you could be right; there might’ve been an intermediary exchange which wasn’t played out for TV.

There wasn't any exchange regarding brake magic until he came back to pits after the race. Hamilton took it extra easy in all braking zones until turn 16 where he made a routine adjustment to brake balance at 54% forward for that corner, and this probably overrode any brake magic settings. From that point it seemed like his brakes were working fine, but he just wasn't pushing anymore.

[e30ernest]

Thanks for the clarification there. So it took until Turn 16 before he made his first adjustment? I thought they made adjustments more often but I guess since this is a street circuit they don't make as much adjustments.

[Stu]

Is ‘Brake Magic’ a new thing for this year?
Are they using it to perform the same function as DAS last year.
Presumably it is a very simple system that switches off BBW, therefore rendering brakes to 100% front?

[F1NAC]

Is ‘Brake Magic’ a new thing for this year?
Are they using it to perform the same function as DAS last year.
Presumably it is a very simple system that switches off BBW, therefore rendering brakes to 100% front?

Brake magic is at least from the start of the hybrid era.

2015 monaco GP 1:20

[e30ernest]

Yeah even Jolyon said they had it in Renault too when he drove there. The teams just call it different things.