2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

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Re: 2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

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Mercedes fastest
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Re: 2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

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No, those are the x ses. He spent quite some time in the pits.

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dans79 wrote:
25 Jun 2021, 16:55
ispano6 wrote:
25 Jun 2021, 16:53
Probably because he kept breaching track limits and was getting his subsequent lap invalidated as well.
Toni uses X's for that and abnormally slow laps!
Hence why he could do more laps on the softs since he wasn't pushing on those invalidated laps.

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ispano6 wrote:
25 Jun 2021, 16:59
dans79 wrote:
25 Jun 2021, 16:55
ispano6 wrote:
25 Jun 2021, 16:53
Probably because he kept breaching track limits and was getting his subsequent lap invalidated as well.
Toni uses X's for that and abnormally slow laps!
Hence why he could do more laps on the softs since he wasn't pushing on those invalidated laps.
Sigh, the spreadsheet shows the stint being 9 laps long, I remember it being longer than that.
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In the first stint Verstappen was almost as fast on the hard tyres as Lewis on the softs. Pace looking good from Red Bull, and they usually improve a lot till Saturday.

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Williams of George Russel on hard tire seems quick, we will se if this is true pace, or did they have less fuel on board:

1:10.058
1:09.387
1:09.967
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1:09.765
1:09.892
1:09.655
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1:09.783
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1:10.175
1:09.862
1:10.237
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1:10.307

Average: 1:09.920

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Re: 2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

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Mercedes still doing their own thing in pre-season testing so far :D

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pantherxxx wrote:
25 Jun 2021, 17:04
In the first stint Verstappen was almost as fast on the hard tyres as Lewis on the softs. Pace looking good from Red Bull, and they usually improve a lot till Saturday.
Well, the hard is most often a better race tyre than the soft, so it’s not that strange. Lewis kept a really strong and consistent pace on the softs, so it’s very likely he will do the same on harder tyres.

Still have high hopes for rain though, it’s about time we have a proper rain race!

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Magically the FIA has the lap times up fairly quickly this weekend (hopefully they can continue to do so).

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... es_v01.pdf

I'm going to redo the long runs for Lewis and Max, as he left two of Maxes deleted laps in, took Lewis out, and completely missed one of Lewis valid laps.
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hamilton's deleted lap vs verstappen's "P1" lap from fp2:



Basically equal on straights, maybe honda has 2-3 kmh on the very top end, but not on acceleration. Hamilton took it very slow on the start of the lap, that's why his initial speed on start finish line is a bit lower, but it's more or less the same from then on.

Hamilton gains time in in T6 and T7 left handers. Verstappen is a tiny bit compromised by the car mid corner but doesn't lose too much, around 1 tenth trough that T6-7-8 complex (come to think that's quite significant with such tight margins). I'd say hamilton did gain time by going over track limits. Not enough to lose P1 but probably like half a tenth.

Another observation: standing waves for hamilton at 0:49. Near identical car shuddering as seen spa and hungary pole laps in 2020:
https://youtu.be/4JiYOvCHwFY?t=39
https://youtu.be/rh6vBU-YNK0?t=21

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Hamilton did his fastest time on his 3rd or 4th lap, with much less fuel onboard, showing the Mercs still have the tyre warmup issue. Max's fastest lap was bang on his first flier. Not comparable.

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Marty_Y wrote:
25 Jun 2021, 18:09
Well deserved. It could have been 5 or 10 places thought.

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Corrected long runs!


imo, bottas Soft runs is very impressive, as all the laps fell within a 0.33s window (very consistent).

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The long runs seems to suggest what I’m hoping, which is that Ferrari’s poor pace thus far is due to trying to focus on tyre issues. They look actually really good on the soft - even compared to Perez - on the soft tyre runs, so with any luck they’ve found a race setup that works ok (even if it does sacrifice some quali speed).