2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

[nzjrs]

Talking about biased, Bottas and his team are idiots trying to pull away in second gear to speed up the process. He could have hit someone with that dumb test.
The place drop is not harsh, that is just you been Mercedes biased.

You realize Max has done the equivalent several times this year right?

He has started 2 or 3 races in second gear to get a better launch.

I can’t remember who, but one of the ex-F1 driver sky commentators said that that it was usual for drivers to start wet races in second gear, Not something special that Max does alone

Starting in second gear When going straight would not be a problem, it probably had something to do with the way you have to turn out of the pit box at the same time

Also probably that they try to spin a bit more than usual early in the weekend in order to lay rubber down.

[zibby43]

Has no one here driven a powerful RWD car in inclement weather? You start in 2nd gear to minimize wheel spin and have a more controlled launch.

If anything, I would’ve expected Bottas’ use of 2nd to be safer. Not the opposite.

[dans79]

What are standing waves?

Read/watch this.
https://www.f1technical.net/development ... s-in-tyres

[nzjrs]

Mercedes can't even remove a wheelnut, so yeah good they slow things down for them.

I think we can all agree this is a good joke and I hope if nothing else, ignoring the actual rules and governance, that this weekend creates many more such easy mockery.

[Zynerji]

Talking about biased, Bottas and his team are idiots trying to pull away in second gear to speed up the process. He could have hit someone with that dumb test.
The place drop is not harsh, that is just you been Mercedes biased.

You realize Max has done the equivalent several times this year right?

He has started 2 or 3 races in second gear to get a better launch.

I can’t remember who, but one of the ex-F1 driver sky commentators said that that it was usual for drivers to start wet races in second gear, Not something special that Max does alone

Starting in second gear When going straight would not be a problem, it probably had something to do with the way you have to turn out of the pit box at the same time

I would also suspect the differential settings probably don't expect that much steering lock at that speed in 2nd gear...

[nzjrs]

Has no one here driven a powerful RWD car in inclement weather? You start in 2nd gear to minimize wheel spin and have a more controlled launch.

If anything, I would’ve expected Bottas’ use of 2nd to be safer. Not the opposite.

Yeah that's my assumption too. Maybe MB doesn't have a good map for 2nd gear burnout (lay rubber in the pit box) starts?

[Sieper]

Yeah, guess who will normally can be expected to start right behind Bottas on the grid. Lando and Ricci. So 3 places might potentially mean one or both starting in front of Bottas. So that is a nice incentive. Plus, it were their guys.

[zibby43]

Has no one here driven a powerful RWD car in inclement weather? You start in 2nd gear to minimize wheel spin and have a more controlled launch.

If anything, I would’ve expected Bottas’ use of 2nd to be safer. Not the opposite.

Yeah that's my assumption too. Maybe MB doesn't have a good map for 2nd gear burnout (lay rubber in the pit box) starts?

Another possibility is Bottas just completely fluffed his throttle application as a result of asking more from 2nd because he wasn’t getting the familiar performance of 1st.

[siskue2005]

Has no one here driven a powerful RWD car in inclement weather? You start in 2nd gear to minimize wheel spin and have a more controlled launch.

If anything, I would’ve expected Bottas’ use of 2nd to be safer. Not the opposite.

Yeah that's my assumption too. Maybe MB doesn't have a good map for 2nd gear burnout (lay rubber in the pit box) starts?

Another possibility is Bottas just completely fluffed his throttle application as a result of asking more from 2nd because he wasn’t getting the familiar performance of 1st.

Yes, it was a driver error indeed. Not worth 3 place grid drop, maybe a reprimand

[zibby43]

Yeah that's my assumption too. Maybe MB doesn't have a good map for 2nd gear burnout (lay rubber in the pit box) starts?

Another possibility is Bottas just completely fluffed his throttle application as a result of asking more from 2nd because he wasn’t getting the familiar performance of 1st.

Yes, it was a driver error indeed. Not worth 3 place grid drop, maybe a reprimand

Agree. One final possibility is that 2nd gear transmitted so much less initial energy through the tires that they were too cold to deal with the later normal throttle application.

In which case I cut Bottas slack, and would have been fine with a team financial penalty.

[siskue2005]

Yeah those useless muppet could have been injured so penalty is good.

If they were Mercedes' muppets then why did they complain ? Useless indeed.....
or Mercedes should get 4 cars like redbull so they can block their competition in the pitlane.

Dude you see, there is the real you and totally not biased And GL, you can have the last word if that makes you happy.

Everyone are biased here for their own agenda, I never claimed to be not, so stop discussing me and come to topic.

I think it's not a 3 place drop worthy mistake.
It's like punishing Max for his spin just before safety car start which could have been dangerous and taken out few drivers behind him.

[siskue2005]

hamilton's deleted lap vs verstappen's "P1" lap from fp2:



Basically equal on straights, maybe honda has 2-3 kmh on the very top end, but not on acceleration. Hamilton took it very slow on the start of the lap, that's why his initial speed on start finish line is a bit lower, but it's more or less the same from then on.

Hamilton gains time in in T6 and T7 left handers. Verstappen is a tiny bit compromised by the car mid corner but doesn't lose too much, around 1 tenth trough that T6-7-8 complex (come to think that's quite significant with such tight margins). I'd say hamilton did gain time by going over track limits. Not enough to lose P1 but probably like half a tenth.

Another observation: standing waves for hamilton at 0:49. Near identical car shuddering as seen spa and hungary pole laps in 2020:
https://youtu.be/4JiYOvCHwFY?t=39
https://youtu.be/rh6vBU-YNK0?t=21

Looks like both cars very very close to each other like on other tracks. Will again come down to drivers and strategy

[Wouter]

Talking about biased, Bottas and his team are idiots trying to pull away in second gear to speed up the process. He could have hit someone with that dumb test.
The place drop is not harsh, that is just you been Mercedes biased.

You realize Max has done the equivalent several times this year right?

He has started 2 or 3 races in second gear to get a better launch.

That comparison really makes no sense!
Did Max endanger people standing nearby on the starting grid where there is a lot of space?
Was he doing it as an experiment to get out of the pit lane faster like Bottas said he did?
Several drivers are starting on the grid where there is a lot of spece in second gear without bringing other people in danger.

Stop talking good about everything Mercedes and their drivers do and stop talking bad about everything what Max does!

[Zynerji]

Talking about biased, Bottas and his team are idiots trying to pull away in second gear to speed up the process. He could have hit someone with that dumb test.
The place drop is not harsh, that is just you been Mercedes biased.

You realize Max has done the equivalent several times this year right?

He has started 2 or 3 races in second gear to get a better launch.

That comparison really makes no sense!
Did Max endanger people standing nearby on the starting grid where there is a lot of space?
Was he doing it as an experiment to get out of the pit lane faster like Bottas said he did?
Several drivers are starting on the grid where there is a lot of spece in second gear without bringing other people in danger.

Stop talking good about everything Mercedes and their drivers do and stop talking bad about everything what Max does!

With 8 unchangeable gears for the season, maybe 2nd gear of 2021 is at the top end of the 2013 1st gear ratios? It would be like my old F150. 1st gear ONLY if towing...

[Sieper]

There is a big difference between a race start and a pit stop. Perhaps they should introduce a race start limiter to drive towards the first corner at 60 or 80kmh if they are the same. A race start happens on an empty piece of tarmac (except the other competitors) and everyone aims to get up to speed as quick as they can.