Gap of last week completely closed.
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While Max Verstappen took an easy back-to-back victory at the Red Bull Racing, battling behind him was quite intense. Valtteri Bottas finished second as Lando Norris completed the podium after another strong drive for McLaren.
Gap of last week completely closed.
An intriguing observation. Alonso and Leclerc used same compound (C4) for their long runs today, that they used last week. C4 was Softs last weekend and this weekend, it is Mediums. Compared to last Friday's long runs, both Alonso and Leclerc are faster this Friday. The track temperatures last Friday were in 50 degrees and today, it was in mid 30s. Potentially, the track was in much better conditions today.
I can see it now: GPDA sending out a memo to all of the drivers. "Guys, you're all doing it wrong. This guy on the Internet says you should drive it this way...".godlameroso wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 18:22Watching onboards everyone seems to brake too late and too hard into 9. It's actually a lot faster to be gentle and set up the exits of 9 and 10 than it is to just late brake. Since the corners are high speed, you can exploit dancing on the brakes to get the front wing working. 6, 7, 9 and 10 are where you gain the most. Turn 4 seems to be a little faster if you go a little wide and use the banking on the outside. Although using a wide arc is also very quick. The key is using little steering on exit, a slight drift at the point of turn in and full brake release so you can feed in the power sooner.
Using the kerb on 4 pushes you a little wide and although it navigates the corner faster it screws up the timing of the throttle.
Just cause I said it doesn't mean I'm right, what works for me, may not work for others. Guy on the internet is just another crash test dummy.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 19:57I can see it now: GPDA sending out a memo to all of the drivers. "Guys, you're all doing it wrong. This guy on the Internet says you should drive it this way...".godlameroso wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 18:22Watching onboards everyone seems to brake too late and too hard into 9. It's actually a lot faster to be gentle and set up the exits of 9 and 10 than it is to just late brake. Since the corners are high speed, you can exploit dancing on the brakes to get the front wing working. 6, 7, 9 and 10 are where you gain the most. Turn 4 seems to be a little faster if you go a little wide and use the banking on the outside. Although using a wide arc is also very quick. The key is using little steering on exit, a slight drift at the point of turn in and full brake release so you can feed in the power sooner.
Using the kerb on 4 pushes you a little wide and although it navigates the corner faster it screws up the timing of the throttle.
I mean, really.
Even the guy on the Internet lucks in now and then.godlameroso wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 20:03Just cause I said it doesn't mean I'm right, what works for me, may not work for others. Guy on the internet is just another crash test dummy.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 19:57I can see it now: GPDA sending out a memo to all of the drivers. "Guys, you're all doing it wrong. This guy on the Internet says you should drive it this way...".godlameroso wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 18:22Watching onboards everyone seems to brake too late and too hard into 9. It's actually a lot faster to be gentle and set up the exits of 9 and 10 than it is to just late brake. Since the corners are high speed, you can exploit dancing on the brakes to get the front wing working. 6, 7, 9 and 10 are where you gain the most. Turn 4 seems to be a little faster if you go a little wide and use the banking on the outside. Although using a wide arc is also very quick. The key is using little steering on exit, a slight drift at the point of turn in and full brake release so you can feed in the power sooner.
Using the kerb on 4 pushes you a little wide and although it navigates the corner faster it screws up the timing of the throttle.
I mean, really.
Guy on the internet said softs only last ~14 laps, the track has verified internet guy, but that's just a coincidence.
Internet guy also said the softs would be no better than the mediums, or perhaps slightly slower.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 1oG55.html
"We just need to make sure we have a bit more pace on the soft because on the medium we looked good and on the long runs we looked decent, and at the end of the day that’s the most important.”
Max "The Lion" Verstappen.
C2 was last weeks hard tyregodlameroso wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 20:02The sim was run on last week's soft tire C2 . It's obvious that they'd be a little quicker. It's a few tenths faster than the C3, however the C3 can last 35ish laps before they start dropping off. It's almost impossible to do a one stop. If you start on C2 you'd have to stretch it to 30 laps and the C3 to 41, it's just not possible. C2 tire will last roughly twice as long as anyone was able manage on their runs. A race will have to be ~20 laps, then two stints of ~25 and ~26 laps. The soft tire will only go ~15 laps, and it's probably not a good race tire.
This opens up interesting permutations, the nature of the pit entry and exit means a lot of time can be gained or lost simply there. A well timed pitstop can yield you roughly a second per lap pace advantage. The lighter you are, and the softer the tire the faster you can go if you can keep the tires from burning up.
The teams should not touch the race tires, you'll need them, use a set of mediums and trust those hards are going to be simply lovely once the fuel starts burning off.
If you can get the softs working and it helps you get track position at the start, it may be worth a shot, but you'll be out of position during the pit stops. You'll naturally undercut all the people who are still running, but once they pit they'll have much more pace than you. Furthermore, you'll have to eventually make an extra stop, again forcing you into an undercut, but your opponent will have fresher tires towards the end.
The soft pit, undercut strategy is the defensive strategy, but it rests on being able to make the softs work. If the softs won't work then you need to use the standard strategy, medium soft soft, or medium medium soft.
The rain can also jam all that nonsense right up.
It's such an interesting chess match that qualifying is almost irrelevant.
Why was Max breaking almost 50 meters before Lewis, in almost all corners (except corner 3) ?Juzh wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 20:16ham vs ver fp2 lap
https://streamable.com/fdz1cy
- by video hamilton is faster on first straight by half a tenth, even though top speeds are similar
- apex speed is 1 kmh lower for hamilton in T1 but he brakes later and has better exit it seeems, gains more than 1 tenth trough there
- verstappen gains negligible amount up to to T4, gains a bit trough T4 itself (purple mini sector)
- top speed again higher for verstappen but actually loses time on final drs straight, another half a tenth gone
- in S3 mercedes is faster trough fast left handers T6 and T7, they're more or less identical trough T9 and 10. Hamilton seems more on the limit in final corner whereas verstappen leaves some margin
overall mercedes clearly looks better so far. more stable trough corners and can hold higher apex speeds, faster on straights even. It was a similar situation last weekend in fp2 mind you, then red bull turned it around for saturday and sunday, so it's tricky to predict anything.
Pole in low-mid 1.03s. C5 is just a lot faster than C2 from last race.
Haven’t seen the video yet so I haven’t seen the specific distance references, but just as an FYI, that’s Max’s style. He is an early braker. Probably one of the earliest brakers on the grid.Ryar wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 20:32Why was Max breaking almost 50 meters before Lewis, in almost all corners (except corner 3) ?Juzh wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 20:16ham vs ver fp2 lap
https://streamable.com/fdz1cy
- by video hamilton is faster on first straight by half a tenth, even though top speeds are similar
- apex speed is 1 kmh lower for hamilton in T1 but he brakes later and has better exit it seeems, gains more than 1 tenth trough there
- verstappen gains negligible amount up to to T4, gains a bit trough T4 itself (purple mini sector)
- top speed again higher for verstappen but actually loses time on final drs straight, another half a tenth gone
- in S3 mercedes is faster trough fast left handers T6 and T7, they're more or less identical trough T9 and 10. Hamilton seems more on the limit in final corner whereas verstappen leaves some margin
overall mercedes clearly looks better so far. more stable trough corners and can hold higher apex speeds, faster on straights even. It was a similar situation last weekend in fp2 mind you, then red bull turned it around for saturday and sunday, so it's tricky to predict anything.
Pole in low-mid 1.03s. C5 is just a lot faster than C2 from last race.
Telemetry jitter and possibly me being a bit off with timing. Its almost impossible to place it with very high accuracy as it can vary even from corner to corner. Just take it as general guidance. Top speeds and corner apex speeds should be correct even if their timing doesnt match perfectly with car position.Ryar wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 20:32Why was Max breaking almost 50 meters before Lewis, in almost all corners (except corner 3) ?Juzh wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 20:16ham vs ver fp2 lap
https://streamable.com/fdz1cy
- by video hamilton is faster on first straight by half a tenth, even though top speeds are similar
- apex speed is 1 kmh lower for hamilton in T1 but he brakes later and has better exit it seeems, gains more than 1 tenth trough there
- verstappen gains negligible amount up to to T4, gains a bit trough T4 itself (purple mini sector)
- top speed again higher for verstappen but actually loses time on final drs straight, another half a tenth gone
- in S3 mercedes is faster trough fast left handers T6 and T7, they're more or less identical trough T9 and 10. Hamilton seems more on the limit in final corner whereas verstappen leaves some margin
overall mercedes clearly looks better so far. more stable trough corners and can hold higher apex speeds, faster on straights even. It was a similar situation last weekend in fp2 mind you, then red bull turned it around for saturday and sunday, so it's tricky to predict anything.
Pole in low-mid 1.03s. C5 is just a lot faster than C2 from last race.
"Hamilton did a long average of 1.10.109 last Friday using C3 (Mediums). He did 1.09.587 today with C4. (Mediums)Ryar wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 19:46An intriguing observation. Alonso and Leclerc used same compound (C4) for their long runs today, that they used last week. C4 was Softs last weekend and this weekend, it is Mediums. Compared to last Friday's long runs, both Alonso and Leclerc are faster this Friday. The track temperatures last Friday were in 50 degrees and today, it was in mid 30s. Potentially, the track was in much better conditions today.
Hamilton did a long average of 1.10.109 last Friday using C3 (Mediums). He did 1.09.587 today with C4. (Mediums)
Verstappen did an average of 1.09.676 last Friday using C3 (Mediums). He did 1.09.549 today with C4 (Mediums).
On same compounds Alonso and Leclerc were faster today by 3 tenth and 4 tenth respectively.
Hamilton was faster by half a second using a step softer compound.
Verstappen did same average lap time as last weekend despite using a step softer compound and seemingly better track conditions. Struggling? Sandbagging?