2021 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 02 - 04

[SmallSoldier]

Excessive penalties at Turn 4 a legacy of the excessive penalty for HAM against ALB.

It's not excessive imo. We all want to see overtaking. If someone is on the outside and alongside or slightly ahead they are entitled to be given room. I am actually happy that they were very consistent in not allowing that today. These guys must learn the difference between clean racing and dirty racing.

I agree with racing clean… But, no one can say that Lando’s move was dirty… That was Perez trying to make a move that wasn’t going to stick.


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[notsofast]

This is the most METAL national anthem ever! THANK YOU Red Bull!

"That was very interesting music, Marty."
"I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it!"

[JordanMugen]

Quiet race from Alpha Tauri. They had potential to get more today.

It was comical how Tsunoda (and Perez) received two penalties for the same infringement.

[JordanMugen]

This is the most METAL national anthem ever! THANK YOU Red Bull!

"That was very interesting music, Marty."
"I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it!"

It's ironic to being saying that about a musical style and equipment from 35 to 70 years ago (electric guitar & bass guitar with overdriven tube amplifier & physical drumkit), which has now (sadly) largely gone out of fashion!

[214270]

Excessive penalties at Turn 4 a legacy of the excessive penalty for HAM against ALB.

It's not excessive imo. We all want to see overtaking. If someone is on the outside and alongside or slightly ahead they are entitled to be given room. I am actually happy that they were very consistent in not allowing that today. These guys must learn the difference between clean racing and dirty racing.

They should be given room only if they establish presence into the corner. If you’re not ahead before turning in then you shouldn’t be protected on exit. That’s how it used to be before the FIA lost the plot, and know no one knows what constitutes a penalty. Stupid stewarding

[mkay]

The gap isn't 'small' either. Its 2-3 tenths on a very short, unsophisticated track. Mercedes would have to bring a massive upgrade to get back to parity with Verstappen, let alone ahead.

Today, the gap was much closer to 5 tenths/lap than 2-3. Max could have easily gone another 5-10 laps on his mediums, but pitted due to traffic ahead. It was a very, very comfortable afternoon.

[Ryar]

It seems some of Max fans, are now learning what Hamilton fans have felt for a long time.

It sure is up to Hamilton and Mercedes to do a better job, isn't it!

Great job by Verstappen, RBR, Honda, Norris and McLaren!

I wonder how long this RBR winning streak can continue for? Mercedes or Mclaren or Ferrari (at street circuits) will surely be back, the notion of the RB16B - RA621H replicating 11 wins in a row of the MP4/4 - RA168E is surely implausible?

I wonder what is the point of paying 30-40 million dollars to any driver, if those missing 2 tenths of car were not brought to the table by that driver. If it is acceptable to have so many errors in a competitive season, minus those extra few tenths, then why not another young talent with far lesser money can drive the same car? For sure, someone like Norris and Russel can easily be ahead of Bottas by considerable margin, who is the lower denominator to refer to.

[notsofast]

Perhaps it would help with consistency (and make it easier for the public to understand) if they were to draw a line across the track just before each corner. If the inside car is ahead at the line, then the inside car is entitled to the racing line. Otherwise it is not and must leave space.

[El Scorchio]

Ridiculous coverage not paying any attention to the 10 sec gap between Perez and Sainz.

It’s also ludicrous that Perez gets to finish ahead of Leclerc. The rule is that you keep a car’s width when a car is alongside and he broke that rule twice in order to stop someone passing him. So, regardless of what anyone thinks about whether that should be the rule or not, it is the rule and our takeaway here is you’re better off breaking it.

That’s sadly the case with a lot of penalties in F1. A lot of the time it’s beneficial to take a penalty to hold or gain an advantage. There needs to be a much better deterrent.

Why would you not do an unsafe release for a 5s penalty if doing it gives you a net gain?

Also reminds me of Bahrain where Verstappen said with some sound reasoning that he should have not given the place back to Hamilton and just tried to build a 5s gap. Can’t blame that way of thinking in the slightest.

The penalty system is not fit for purpose sometimes.

[JordanMugen]

I wonder what is the point of paying 30-40 million dollars to any driver, if those missing 2 tenths of car were not brought to the table by that driver. If it is acceptable to have so many errors in a competitive season, minus those extra few tenths, then why not another young talent with far lesser money can drive the same car? For sure, someone like Norris and Russel can easily be ahead of Bottas by considerable margin, who is the lower denominator to refer to.

Lots of teams have tried this over the years. Jaguar with Webber and Pizzonia, Toro Rosso with many of their driver lineups.

It usually doesn't work that great in reality to have 2 x cheap rookie drivers (or just 2 x cheap drivers) for a variety of reasons -- the rookie drivers are usually very inconsistent, and if a driver proves to be at least upper midfield level they will soon demand a $10m+ USD salary (like say Hulkenberg).

HAAS had two drivers which were perhaps more lower midfield level on $1-3m salaries, Magnussen and Grosjean, and that never worked particularly well for them.

[Unf]

Why would you not do an unsafe release for a 5s penalty if doing it gives you a net gain?

This.

It was clearly visible on Perez vs. Norris incident - Perez lost 20 seconds on it, whereas Norris get 5s penalty. So it was still +15 for Norris as the guy who was guilty o_O

Then, Perez vs. Leclerc - the same.

[Ryar]

It sure is up to Hamilton and Mercedes to do a better job, isn't it!

Great job by Verstappen, RBR, Honda, Norris and McLaren!

I wonder how long this RBR winning streak can continue for? Mercedes or Mclaren or Ferrari (at street circuits) will surely be back, the notion of the RB16B - RA621H replicating 11 wins in a row of the MP4/4 - RA168E is surely implausible?

I wonder what is the point of paying 30-40 million dollars to any driver

Lots of teams have tried this over the years. Jaguar with Webber and Pizzonia, Toro Rosso with many of their driver lineups.

It usually doesn't work that great in reality to have 2 x cheap rookie drivers (or just 2 x cheap drivers) for a variety of reasons -- the rookie drivers are usually very inconsistent, and if a driver proves to be at least upper midfield level they will soon demand a $10m+ USD salary (like say Hulkenberg).

HAAS had two drivers which were perhaps more lower midfield level on $1-3m salaries, Magnussen and Grosjean, and that never worked particularly well for them.

On the other hand, look at Senna, Prost, Michael, Fernando, Lewis, Vettel, Ricciardo (at Red Bull), Max and Leclerc and now Norris. They all came young and they have all done the job.

[grubschumi13]

Did Lewis make a mistake that damaged his floor?

[214270]

Perhaps it would help with consistency (and make it easier for the public to understand) if they were to draw a line across the track just before each corner. If the inside car is ahead at the line, then the inside car is entitled to the racing line. Otherwise it is not and must leave space.

Great idea

[Sevach]

Excessive penalties at Turn 4 a legacy of the excessive penalty for HAM against ALB.

It's not excessive imo. We all want to see overtaking. If someone is on the outside and alongside or slightly ahead they are entitled to be given room. I am actually happy that they were very consistent in not allowing that today. These guys must learn the difference between clean racing and dirty racing.

I agree with racing clean… But, no one can say that Lando’s move was dirty… That was Perez trying to make a move that wasn’t going to stick.


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The way to decide if it is gonna stick or not is give the room and then win the run to the next turn.
I hope they start being consistent with that going forward, this thing is such a big deal because sometimes they allow it, sometimes they don't.