2021 Mclaren F1 Team

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He could try and make a soft-hard stint and get a good start and if he did then we'd probably suffer in the race but I think he'd suffer more tomorrow, so I don't think we will see him try it, unless he perhaps goes for a two stop, which is possible.

Gambling on the softs really paid off for him today, I'm glad we saw the dice get thrown a bit, it's a shame that it prevented us being closer to Leclerc. I just wish we'd have put one of ours on a soft tyre.
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Tyres key to so much of tomorrow.

I know on Friday a lot of commentators said the hard was probably a no go tyre but in the heat and track temperatures, is it bringing it into play at all?

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Thinking more about the tyres, I think that a two stop is more likely than I was thinking because of the temps, meaning that it's possible that the hard may not see too much action.
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Very impressed by Daniel, his pace was on par if don't slightly faster during the stint, never doubted the guy for a second. After looking at sector times, and sector speeds at different corners between Lando and Daniel I believe Daniel is running less wing than Lando or Lando has just set up for a long stint, Daniel was quick in sectors 1 and 3, whilst Lando makes the time up all in Sector 2 (around avg. 4 - 5 tenths), Lando has likely decided to protect the front tyres a little more going into the race, quite excited for the race though.

- For tomorrow Ideally Lando if he doesn't gain places at start is isn't the end of the world, his race will be the first stint, how he will be able to stretch it out, just like France.
- For Daniel track position may be more important using advantage of the greater top speed to keep opponents in his wake will be important

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mwillems wrote:Thinking more about the tyres, I think that a two stop is more likely than I was thinking because of the temps, meaning that it's possible that the hard may not see too much action.
The mediums were blistering a lot (at least for Mercedes and RBR) with only 17 laps… At the same time, Alonso managed to complete the Sprint on Softs… Granted everyone was going at a pretty high pace during the Sprint today.

I don’t think anyone has new softs for the race… No idea what to think in terms of tires for tomorrow… But my guess is a Medium - Hard race for a one stopper.


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SmallSoldier wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 02:53
mwillems wrote:Thinking more about the tyres, I think that a two stop is more likely than I was thinking because of the temps, meaning that it's possible that the hard may not see too much action.
The mediums were blistering a lot (at least for Mercedes and RBR) with only 17 laps… At the same time, Alonso managed to complete the Sprint on Softs… Granted everyone was going at a pretty high pace during the Sprint today.

I don’t think anyone has new softs for the race… No idea what to think in terms of tires for tomorrow… But my guess is a Medium - Hard race for a one stopper.


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I would agree with the medium -> hard strategy. An interesting strategy could be what Sainz did in Austria. Hard -> medium, the hards will be able to take the torture of driving hard with high fuel loads (a heavy car). The main downside to this is the chance that you can get mugged on the start of the race and first few laps before your tyres come up to temperature.

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trinidefender wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 05:02
SmallSoldier wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 02:53
mwillems wrote:Thinking more about the tyres, I think that a two stop is more likely than I was thinking because of the temps, meaning that it's possible that the hard may not see too much action.
The mediums were blistering a lot (at least for Mercedes and RBR) with only 17 laps… At the same time, Alonso managed to complete the Sprint on Softs… Granted everyone was going at a pretty high pace during the Sprint today.

I don’t think anyone has new softs for the race… No idea what to think in terms of tires for tomorrow… But my guess is a Medium - Hard race for a one stopper.


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I would agree with the medium -> hard strategy. An interesting strategy could be what Sainz did in Austria. Hard -> medium, the hards will be able to take the torture of driving hard with high fuel loads (a heavy car). The main downside to this is the chance that you can get mugged on the start of the race and first few laps before your tyres come up to temperature.
Yeah I think that the full fuel load will chew up that first set of tyres, im not sure that the hard will be good for 34 laps either.

Given how tired the tyres might get and how much drop off there will be, I think we may be in the realm of two stoppers,

Edit: Apparently the hard help up ok in the F2 race so let's see.
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bauc wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 19:06
Good first sprint race by both NOR & RIC.

LEC will be a challenge tomorrow from the start, and PER will for sure go with long first stint and be super fast at the end. So if we can finish P5 & P6 tomorrow I will be pleased.
Perez managed to spin a car that according to verstappen suffers from high understeer this weekend. Red bull is the slowest car on straights on this track and even if they lower downforce on Perez' car substantially there's just no way he'll be troubling mclarens or leclerc. He's got low confidence as it is, with reduced grip he'll struggle even more. Unless he lucks out with safety cars giving him tyre advantage his realistic finish is P7-P8. Don't forget Perez didn't have any meaningful pace advantage over fer/mcl in qualifying and could barely overtake struggling Ricciardo in austria after like 40 laps.

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Juzh wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 10:43
bauc wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 19:06
Good first sprint race by both NOR & RIC.

LEC will be a challenge tomorrow from the start, and PER will for sure go with long first stint and be super fast at the end. So if we can finish P5 & P6 tomorrow I will be pleased.
Perez managed to spin a car that according to verstappen suffers from high understeer this weekend. Red bull is the slowest car on straights on this track and even if they lower downforce on Perez' car substantially there's just no way he'll be troubling mclarens or leclerc. He's got low confidence as it is, with reduced grip he'll struggle even more. Unless he lucks out with safety cars giving him tyre advantage his realistic finish is P7-P8. Don't forget Perez didn't have any meaningful pace advantage over fer/mcl in qualifying and could barely overtake struggling Ricciardo in austria after like 40 laps.
I agree with what you are saying regarding that Perez was not on pace all weekend and maybe has a slight confidence issue going into the race today, but in my opinion Pereze's tire management is second to none in F1 and with a different strategy and ''clean'' race he can get into play for p5-p7, thus possibly causing trouble for our boys.
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trinidefender wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 02:53
mwillems wrote:Thinking more about the tyres, I think that a two stop is more likely than I was thinking because of the temps, meaning that it's possible that the hard may not see too much action.
The mediums were blistering a lot (at least for Mercedes and RBR) with only 17 laps… At the same time, Alonso managed to complete the Sprint on Softs… Granted everyone was going at a pretty high pace during the Sprint today.

I don’t think anyone has new softs for the race… No idea what to think in terms of tires for tomorrow… But my guess is a Medium - Hard race for a one stopper.


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I would agree with the medium -> hard strategy. An interesting strategy could be what Sainz did in Austria. Hard -> medium, the hards will be able to take the torture of driving hard with high fuel loads (a heavy car). The main downside to this is the chance that you can get mugged on the start of the race and first few laps before your tyres come up to temperature.
The challenge starting with Hards is that you can lose track position on the first few laps because of not having on the right temperature window… Track position with a DRS train could mean staying in lower scoring positions for most of the first stint… That’s why the teams prefer to avoid starting on them even if it might be better for a long first stint and tire advantage in the second stint


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Let's Go Lando... :D :D =D> :D :D

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Leclerc is very lucky. Can we get pass Bottas to chase Leclerc?

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:07
Leclerc is very lucky. Can we get pass Bottas to chase Leclerc?
He won't be able to keep the mercs behind him, just need Lando and Daniel to stay close and benefit.

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Let's hope both Mercedes pass him and ruin his tyres in the meantime. I hate faith in Hamilton passing him quickly but not on Bottas.

It annoys me the fact that Ferrari has two poles with special circumstances and now lead a race with special circumstances and Mclaren with a faster car hasn't goten any so far. Sure we do lead them and that is what matters but come on lady luck. Give us a pole to be proud.

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Hamilton would have to get a penalty for this. If Lando got a penalty for forcing off Perez, this has to be a stronger penalty.