One can imagine the state of his self respect.
Since when did fighting the team mate became "selfish" in F1?
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One can imagine the state of his self respect.
Bottas was sat behind Leclerc making little impact when Hamilton cruised up behind Bottas. Hamilton then pursued and passed Leclerc to take the win. Bottas played the team game because he wasn't able to attack Leclerc himself for whatever reason. If Bottas had cruised up to Leclerc and was fighting him, the team wouldn't have told him to let Hamilton through. I don't think they'd have told them to switch places if Bottas was leading and Hamilton was second as the team would be on for maximum points and that is what they focus on.
Bottas was lapping about 3-4 tenths faster than Leclerc in the lap 34 - 39, cut the gap from 9 to about 7.5 seconds. He then made it clear on the radio he couldn't chase him perhaps he just didn't believe he could, yet his teammate could do it.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 10:54Bottas was sat behind Leclerc making little impact when Hamilton cruised up behind Bottas. Hamilton then pursued and passed Leclerc to take the win. Bottas played the team game because he wasn't able to attack Leclerc himself for whatever reason. If Bottas had cruised up to Leclerc and was fighting him, the team wouldn't have told him to let Hamilton through. I don't think they'd have told them to switch places if Bottas was leading and Hamilton was second as the team would be on for maximum points and that is what they focus on.
Bottas's tyres were only 5 laps older than Hamilton's but Hamilton was a second a lap quicker on them at times (Bottas's fastest lap was 8/10s slower than Hamilton's both on lap 45. Maybe Bottas just didn't believe he could catch Leclerc. I think Bottas said in the post race interview that he didn't have the in-car drink available. He was probably struggling physically in that case.politburo wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 11:01Bottas was lapping about 3-4 tenths faster than Leclerc in the lap 34 - 39, cut the gap from 9 to about 7.5 seconds. He then made it clear on the radio he couldn't chase him perhaps he just didn't believe he could, yet his teammate could do it.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 10:54Bottas was sat behind Leclerc making little impact when Hamilton cruised up behind Bottas. Hamilton then pursued and passed Leclerc to take the win. Bottas played the team game because he wasn't able to attack Leclerc himself for whatever reason. If Bottas had cruised up to Leclerc and was fighting him, the team wouldn't have told him to let Hamilton through. I don't think they'd have told them to switch places if Bottas was leading and Hamilton was second as the team would be on for maximum points and that is what they focus on.
Since 2016 one would imagine. It's quite intriguing, given Hamilton has had Alonso and Button who were both excellent, especially the latter who won plenty of points for the McLaren team in the RB 2010-2012 era. Now it sounds like he has it so good with Bottas. Which in turn may never provide Russell the chance to fight for race wins despite his excellent one-lap pace.
It is quite sad, Bottas qualifies well in most of the races but one can just pencil him in for 2nd of 3rd more often than not, with 2, 3 or 4 race wins a season. He's like the true definition of support driver, Mark Webber 2.0, both Webber and Bottas very good drivers but circumstances always leave them behind their teammate - whether that is by the direct intent of the teams or not I don't know.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 11:06Bottas's tyres were only 5 laps older than Hamilton's but Hamilton was a second a lap quicker on them at times. Maybe Bottas just didn't believe he could catch Leclerc. I think Bottas said in the post race interview that he didn't have the in-car drink available. He was probably struggling physically in that case.politburo wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 11:01Bottas was lapping about 3-4 tenths faster than Leclerc in the lap 34 - 39, cut the gap from 9 to about 7.5 seconds. He then made it clear on the radio he couldn't chase him perhaps he just didn't believe he could, yet his teammate could do it.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 10:54
Bottas was sat behind Leclerc making little impact when Hamilton cruised up behind Bottas. Hamilton then pursued and passed Leclerc to take the win. Bottas played the team game because he wasn't able to attack Leclerc himself for whatever reason. If Bottas had cruised up to Leclerc and was fighting him, the team wouldn't have told him to let Hamilton through. I don't think they'd have told them to switch places if Bottas was leading and Hamilton was second as the team would be on for maximum points and that is what they focus on.
Imo, what hinders him the most, is his inability to nurse the tires. Even yesterday he told the team over the radio he wouldn't make it to the end at this pace (or something to that effect).
Maybe an explanation is that when he went from Williams to Mercedes, the formula changed as well. From the narrow cars to the downforce beasts we have now. It’s a different animal. The braking zones are shorter, higher forces and even less “nice” on tires.dans79 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2021, 11:24Imo, what hinders him the most, is his inability to nurse the tires. Even yesterday he told the team over the radio he wouldn't make it to the end at this pace (or something to that effect).
He was significantly more aggressive in wheel to wheel racing (and in general) when at Williams, but that disappeared almost as soon as he arrived at Mercedes in 2017. I've always found that odd, as he is less aggressive against everyone now!
Ironically, Hamilton's own actions towards Alonso, Button and Rosberg were selfish (remember backing the pack up in Abu Dhabi, almost as if to deliberately hinder Nico Rosberg?), as were Alonso's and Rosberg's towards Hamilton. Hamilton did not do a great job at being a courteous supporting driver, so it seems to be bizarre to being making such statements instead of leading by example of being a courteous supporting teammate to Alonso, Button, Rosberg etc?
Not sure about that Abu Dhabi race. What driver wouldn't have done that in the same situation? The WCC was won but the WDC was still in the balance. I'd expect any driver worth their salt to do what Hamilton did there, and actually the team probably shouldn't have interfered so much in it.JordanMugen wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 13:13
Hamilton was beaten on points by both Button and Rosberg. Hamilton is very good but certainly not unbeatable in the same car, and certainly not unbeatable by a better car.
Ironically, Hamilton's own actions towards Alonso, Button and Rosberg were selfish (remember backing the pack up in Abu Dhabi, almost as if to deliberately hinder Nico Rosberg?), as were Alonso's and Rosberg's towards Hamilton. Hamilton did not do a great job at being a courteous supporting driver, so it seems to be bizarre to being making such statements instead of leading by example of being a courteous supporting teammate to Alonso, Button, Rosberg etc?
Yepo, not to mention wolff later admitted the team was wrong to try and intervene!El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 14:41Not sure about that Abu Dhabi race. What driver wouldn't have done that in the same situation? The WCC was won but the WDC was still in the balance. I'd expect any driver worth their salt to do what Hamilton did there, and actually the team probably shouldn't have interfered so much in it.
"In our mind, the way we think, this race was giving us the same number of points as other races and we try to win that one - not considering that there was much more at stake for the drivers.
"How the race panned out, we should have communicated differently and in hindsight let them race in the way they deemed to be appropriate."
It does highlight their 'team first' ethos as well.dans79 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 14:48Yepo, not to mention wolff later admitted the team was wrong to try and intervene!El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 14:41Not sure about that Abu Dhabi race. What driver wouldn't have done that in the same situation? The WCC was won but the WDC was still in the balance. I'd expect any driver worth their salt to do what Hamilton did there, and actually the team probably shouldn't have interfered so much in it.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/wolf ... 18/858018/
"In our mind, the way we think, this race was giving us the same number of points as other races and we try to win that one - not considering that there was much more at stake for the drivers.
"How the race panned out, we should have communicated differently and in hindsight let them race in the way they deemed to be appropriate."
I thought it was Button and Seb that won from 2009 to 2013, while Hamilton was playing mario kart with Massa and of course 2016, when Nico rattled him. It was potent enough kryptonite IMOJordanMugen wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 13:13
Hamilton was beaten on points by both Button and Rosberg. Hamilton is very good but certainly not unbeatable in the same car, and certainly not unbeatable by a better car.
LOL, and the younger driver (by a few months), said he had to sacrifice so much and commit so much effort to do it, that he was retiring because he wasn't willing to do it again!
LOL. 1+1 = 3. A family man recognises that the demands of his job is taking toll on his family life and having achieved the dream of winning the title, doesn't want to sacrifice family commitments. A hardcore driver fan reads it as, "i am afraid of competing with Hamilton".