Someone suggested on LinkedIn that Article 53.11 of the sporting regulations says that all cars should return to the grid at the race restart?
Is there a conflicting / overriding rule that you can pit to change tyres regardless?
It doesn't look like it was a case of taking much risk, you do that when you are in good shape and have the chance to put it on the inside of Verstappen. With his one car hitting another car that went into verstappen, could of well ended all the ways at Hamilton.TimW wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:58What a shame that we were robbed of a good race in the championship fight (although the rest of the race was still good)
For sure Bottas' bowling alley was not intentional. However, I think it is an issue with the current championship standings that there is an incentive for Merc and RB to send out their 2nd drivers with a maximum risk approach. If they go off while taking out the opponent, nothing lost, only a gain. For that reason harsher penalties would be good, as it would prevent them from being a wingman in the next race and take out the incentive.
(I must say I am stunned by Bottas' flawless execution, never knew he was such a great driver.......)
Max actually had already pitted and went from 8 down to 15 before the red flag came out. There wasn’t much to repair tough. Rip the remaining parts of. Sorryf1jcw wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:55So, we should change the rules to "Max can not be punished for anything and is outside the rules"Schuttelberg wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:51Fact that we are discussing DQ for a few litres of fuel or driving past the pits or wearing t-shirts on an Aston Martin, a Williams and an Alpine driver who took his maiden win and not how a RBR will take a 10 place grid drop for a bloke running into him and getting a 5 place grid drop should echo what is broken in this sport!
It’s like red flag car repair.
When it is Lewis doing it, people want the rules changed.
Max car fixed today, not a whimper
Thats not the point. The point is: when only the actions are punished and not the consequences, teams may be tempted to use that to hurt competitors. A 5 places grid penalty cannot equal the points lost by RB today.Magicsenna_41 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:57That's a good pointf1jcw wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:55So, we should change the rules to "Max can not be punished for anything and is outside the rules"Schuttelberg wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:51Fact that we are discussing DQ for a few litres of fuel or driving past the pits or wearing t-shirts on an Aston Martin, a Williams and an Alpine driver who took his maiden win and not how a RBR will take a 10 place grid drop for a bloke running into him and getting a 5 place grid drop should echo what is broken in this sport!
It’s like red flag car repair.
When it is Lewis doing it, people want the rules changed.
Max car fixed today, not a whimper
Don't the blunder that Mercedes didn't call in Hamilton on a dry track. Or leaving Vertappen out for at least one more lap waiting for a red flagtpe wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 21:02Some amazingly stupid things in this race.
2 or3 unsafe releases because team members were focused on their car and not the pit lane as they should.
Perez lost all the coolant and no one told him to stop immediately! What on earth were they doing?
Vettel left out of fuel, most probably because the whole team went to the celebrations instead of watching for their driver's data.
I am guessing he's talking about Perez's PU may be done after the incident and thus possibly taking 10+ grid penalty when he take the 4th PU while bottas is getting just 5 place grid drop?Sieper wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 21:02Max actually had already pitted and went from 8 down to 15 before the red flag came out. There wasn’t much to repair tough. Rip the remaining parts of. Sorryf1jcw wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:55So, we should change the rules to "Max can not be punished for anything and is outside the rules"Schuttelberg wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:51Fact that we are discussing DQ for a few litres of fuel or driving past the pits or wearing t-shirts on an Aston Martin, a Williams and an Alpine driver who took his maiden win and not how a RBR will take a 10 place grid drop for a bloke running into him and getting a 5 place grid drop should echo what is broken in this sport!
It’s like red flag car repair.
When it is Lewis doing it, people want the rules changed.
Max car fixed today, not a whimper
I really thought "maybe they'll be able to screw on at least some parts" but there was probably nothing left they could attach anything to and all they did is close the carbon edges on the floor and other parts which were ripped open ... it's quite possible that they just did not want to risk taking the car apart too much for repairs because that might have left them with an unfinished car for the restart.Sieper wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 21:02Max actually had already pitted and went from 8 down to 15 before the red flag came out. There wasn’t much to repair tough. Rip the remaining parts of. Sorryf1jcw wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:55So, we should change the rules to "Max can not be punished for anything and is outside the rules"Schuttelberg wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 20:51Fact that we are discussing DQ for a few litres of fuel or driving past the pits or wearing t-shirts on an Aston Martin, a Williams and an Alpine driver who took his maiden win and not how a RBR will take a 10 place grid drop for a bloke running into him and getting a 5 place grid drop should echo what is broken in this sport!
It’s like red flag car repair.
When it is Lewis doing it, people want the rules changed.
Max car fixed today, not a whimper
According to one of the Dutch F1 sites (not the most reputable one), Horner mentioned Max' PU may be damaged as well. So, potential PU penalty for both cars, in Max' case, two races in a row due to similar reasons. Which is rather unfortunate, if it materializes that way.rogazilla wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 21:06I am guessing he's talking about Perez's PU may be done after the incident and thus possibly taking 10+ grid penalty when he take the 4th PU while bottas is getting just 5 place grid drop?
I do wonder if the championship winning team is running towards the cost cap and what if the other teams starts to run more risky move because nothing to lose... would we run into a situation where the championship winning team can no longer use new parts in the last few races and end up losing?
You are not allowed to lift it and they needed floor off to be able to do anything.RZS10 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 21:08I really thought "maybe they'll be able to screw on at least some parts" but there was probably nothing left they could attach anything to and all they did is close the carbon edges on the floor and other parts which were ripped open ... it's quite possible that they just did not want to risk taking the car apart too much for repairs because that might have left them with an unfinished car for the restart.
If that is true it simply is over. Two more races from the back. I am inclined to think it is over as it stands already.DChemTech wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 21:10According to one of the Dutch F1 sites (not the most reputable one), Horner mentioned Max' PU may be damaged as well. So, potential PU penalty for both cars, in Max' case, two races in a row due to similar reasons. Which is rather unfortunate, if it materializes that way.rogazilla wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 21:06I am guessing he's talking about Perez's PU may be done after the incident and thus possibly taking 10+ grid penalty when he take the 4th PU while bottas is getting just 5 place grid drop?
I do wonder if the championship winning team is running towards the cost cap and what if the other teams starts to run more risky move because nothing to lose... would we run into a situation where the championship winning team can no longer use new parts in the last few races and end up losing?
That was before the camera had shown the extent of the damage, before it was clear that most attachment points were gone but yea they can do whatever as long as they do it where the car stands and only lifted with the jacks, right?