2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[langedweil]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7xu4XRXoA ... name=large

Some serious damage..
Incredible he managed to keep it on the track and finish the race in the points

To get anything positive from that: it's a hell of a lot easier to get in/out of that car ..

[langedweil]

What! Just a flesh wound.

Oh, you're not talking about the missing barge boards or floor damage and all the points of downforce resulting from it. You're talking about flesh wounds of what exactly?

I was gonna say .. The Holy Grail!
Bloody classic ..

[e30ernest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7xu4XRXoA ... name=large

Some serious damage..
Incredible he managed to keep it on the track and finish the race in the points

Ouch!

I wonder why teams haven't made bargeboards easier to replace? Are there rules preventing that to be viable?

[diffuser]

Anyway, is it true that Verstappen’s new spec3 engine was damaged with the turn 1 incident?

That could potentially be 2 grid penalties for the second half of the season instead of just one….

Maybe they should take 10 engines in one weekend then! And yes I know you can't stock pile engines, but this is getting ridiculous seeing that it was no fault of their own. I expect F1 to change the rules for these situations. Of course, there are other ways to level the playing field.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/guilt ... i/6640998/

Spec3? Why you calling it that?

[ispano6]

Anyway, is it true that Verstappen’s new spec3 engine was damaged with the turn 1 incident?

That could potentially be 2 grid penalties for the second half of the season instead of just one….

Maybe they should take 10 engines in one weekend then! And yes I know you can't stock pile engines, but this is getting ridiculous seeing that it was no fault of their own. I expect F1 to change the rules for these situations. Of course, there are other ways to level the playing field.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/guilt ... i/6640998/

Spec3? Why you calling it that?

He probably means PU#3, but no, all the talk about the PU damage is regarding PU2. PU3 finished the race fine it seems. Some tabloids are making it seem that Max's PU3 suffered damage during the race. Checo’s did.

[Curbstone]

I do not quite understand what you mean, is something unclear in my post?

Just thought it was amusing when you said "it's hard to say" then proceeded to effortlessly say a lot. Your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it, I have my own and will keep it to myself, I plead the 5th.

I am an optimist, and like to think that way even if it isn't 100% true. 4/5 ain't bad.

I'm expressing doubts while I also say it's difficult to tell. Maybe it is because of the difference in mother tongue, but I do not see any contradiction in that.

[Jolle]

As for DNF’s, the longer you don’t DNF, the average chance of a DNF gets lower, not higher because “your time is due”

Please explain using a mathematical model.

If you race 10 races, DNF one, your average DNF rate is 1/10. If you drive another race and don't DNF, your average is 1/11 and so on.

[Jolle]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7xu4XRXoA ... name=large

Some serious damage..
Incredible he managed to keep it on the track and finish the race in the points

Ouch!

I wonder why teams haven't made bargeboards easier to replace? Are there rules preventing that to be viable?

Weight probably (as with almost everything in F1). The times that they have/can to replace them in a race is so slim, that the penalty for the extra weight hampers them in other races to much.

[Big Tea]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7xu4XRXoA ... name=large

Some serious damage..
Incredible he managed to keep it on the track and finish the race in the points

Ouch!

I wonder why teams haven't made bargeboards easier to replace? Are there rules preventing that to be viable?

Weight probably (as with almost everything in F1). The times that they have/can to replace them in a race is so slim, that the penalty for the extra weight hampers them in other races to much.

I did wonder how many of the intricate parts could be made of a more flexible Material, maybe a type of polypropylene or similar. It can be stiff enough and if not 'easy' to repair a lot can be done with a heat gun.

It is obviously not going to be suitable for many parts, but some?

[Jolle]

Ouch!

I wonder why teams haven't made bargeboards easier to replace? Are there rules preventing that to be viable?

Weight probably (as with almost everything in F1). The times that they have/can to replace them in a race is so slim, that the penalty for the extra weight hampers them in other races to much.

I did wonder how many of the intricate parts could be made of a more flexible Material, maybe a type of polypropylene or similar. It can be stiff enough and if not 'easy' to repair a lot can be done with a heat gun.

It is obviously not going to be suitable for many parts, but some?

Those aero parts are very very light... making them from anything else then CF adds a lot of weight. Plus with all the vibrations and vortexes that surrounds them, anything else would be very beefy and very heavy.

The differences between the F1 car's are so small, just a few KG here and there and you're in the midfield instead of on pole. That one time that you're lucky enough to put a heat gun on anything isn't worth it.

[Fnatic1]

Hamilton has got the luck of a champion this year, which can’t be argued.

Verstappen’s lead of 33 points got vanished within two races, which had nothing to do with driving mistakes.

The tyre blow out at Baku cost him 11 points (P1 + FL) aswell, where Lewis would have finished P3. Also there was Imola, where Lewis did a Seb 2018 but got saved by a red flag.

Then we have this Hungarian GP in which Lewis gained an additional 2 points on Max, because somehow a car ahead of Lewis didn’t have enough fuel in the tank.

Rules are rules but you can’t deny this extreme amount of luck, which only has gone in one way so far.

It is hard to swallow for Red Bull and Max, but in my view totally understandable.

[Ryar]

If only statistics could predict the future! More than the skill of the driver, the capability and reliability of of a car dictates the potential possibilities of DNFs. The more you start from the pole, the better chances of dictating pace and conserving the equipment and best possible place to avoid carnage behind.

[Jolle]

Hamilton has got the luck of a champion this year, which can’t be argued.

Verstappen’s lead of 33 points got vanished within two races, which had nothing to do with driving mistakes.

The tyre blow out at Baku cost him 11 points (P1 + FL) aswell, where Lewis would have finished P3. Also there was Imola, where Lewis did a Seb 2018 but got saved by a red flag.

Then we have this Hungarian GP in which Lewis gained an additional 2 points on Max, because somehow a car ahead of Lewis didn’t have enough fuel in the tank.

Rules are rules but you can’t deny this extreme amount of luck, which only has gone in one way so far.

It is hard to swallow for Red Bull and Max, but in my view totally understandable.

Like I said before, in every sport you need a lot of skill, hard work and a bit of luck. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes against you. Prost could have been a 8 time world champion for instance. Mansell was unlucky many times and Hamilton lost a few opportunities as well.

[etusch]

RBR problem was that they couldn't get enough front DF to keep the car balanced. That resulted in them having to drop DF on the rear wing. That then compromised their pace. At a high DF track, you need all the DF you can get.

I also think in same way. This is not specialist view but I think they lost very much with front wing rules and low rear df rules helped them to be more balanced. I have read somewhere that new rear tyres also bad for redbull's balance. I don't know much about it.
Of course we didn't see them in the race with their real pace. Perez could not race and Verstappen was lost his right side completely. when I saw it I thought I would cut winglets at other side of car to balance weight and air flow around car. But I think it is not allowed or maybe no benefitial.

[Curbstone]

I don't think removing the stuff from the other side would be beneficial or correct any balance issues, I think the problem would get even bigger; all those wings an deflectors are there to optimize and stabilize the air flow. Losing them will result in a decrease of stable airflow which results in a lower and unpredictable level of downforce, and probably unpredictable shifts of the center of the downforce. This will only increase the instability.