2021 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 30 - Aug 01

[El Scorchio]

It's just really unfortunate for the team if there was some loss of fuel they can't account for. Especially for Vettel who drove a great race and did nothing wrong at all.

The only way I could see the appeal working was if there was some issue surrounding faulty FIA sensors or software which gave the team an inaccurate readout of the fuel situation. Anything other than that was surely a lost cause from the start. But they were just doing their due diligence by appealing. I'm sure any team would in that situation.

They probably calculated from sensor data the amount of fuel that went from fuel tank. And counted on the rest from total fuel capacity that didn't go through fuel sensor. But that rest leaked out.

I think so. It must have been something like that. Really unlucky but rules are rules.

[maxxer]

Don’t think it matters where they take it, the rules are very clear that it needs to be able to be extracted at track side with no bodywork removal. It’s like pit lane speeding, you either did it or you didn’t. You can’t argue that the software setting the speed was slightly out and hope to get away with it

Ah yes if it has to be trackside then bummer for them

[Sieper]

It's just really unfortunate for the team if there was some loss of fuel they can't account for. Especially for Vettel who drove a great race and did nothing wrong at all.

The only way I could see the appeal working was if there was some issue surrounding faulty FIA sensors or software which gave the team an inaccurate readout of the fuel situation. Anything other than that was surely a lost cause from the start. But they were just doing their due diligence by appealing. I'm sure any team would in that situation.

They probably calculated from sensor data the amount of fuel that went from fuel tank. And counted on the rest from total fuel capacity that didn't go through fuel sensor. But that rest leaked out.

Fuel leaked out. Yes, that is very plausible.

[maxxer]

It's just really unfortunate for the team if there was some loss of fuel they can't account for. Especially for Vettel who drove a great race and did nothing wrong at all.

The only way I could see the appeal working was if there was some issue surrounding faulty FIA sensors or software which gave the team an inaccurate readout of the fuel situation. Anything other than that was surely a lost cause from the start. But they were just doing their due diligence by appealing. I'm sure any team would in that situation.

They probably calculated from sensor data the amount of fuel that went from fuel tank. And counted on the rest from total fuel capacity that didn't go through fuel sensor. But that rest leaked out.

Fuel leaked out. Yes, that is very plausible.

Did raise an eyebrow when i read that statement

[Wouter]

They probably calculated from sensor data the amount of fuel that went from fuel tank. And counted on the rest from total fuel capacity that didn't go through fuel sensor. But that rest leaked out.

Fuel leaked out. Yes, that is very plausible.

Did raise an eyebrow when i read that statement

Why?

[flmkane]

Fuel leaked out. Yes, that is very plausible.

Did raise an eyebrow when i read that statement

Why?

Where did the leaked fuel go?

[maxxer]

Did raise an eyebrow when i read that statement

Why?

Where did the leaked fuel go?

Yes @Wouter thats what i wondered he was in 2nd place racing the whole time with this fuel leak. Anyway still bad to be disqualified for it. Just with all the rules now he put the mileage on the engine and gearbox and to just as well not start at all. I guess its the rules but rather give him a grid drop for the next race not a full disqualification. Well it happened move on teams agree with the rules when they sign up for this

[Big Tea]

Did raise an eyebrow when i read that statement

Why?

Where did the leaked fuel go?

Bottas found it

[henry]

Did raise an eyebrow when i read that statement

Why?

Where did the leaked fuel go?

Go to a local refuelling station. Take a deep breath. Then you’ll know.

[flmkane]

Why?

Where did the leaked fuel go?

Go to a local refuelling station. Take a deep breath. Then you’ll know.

But but... Refueling has been banned since 2010

[dans79]

Where did the leaked fuel go?

Go to a local refuelling station. Take a deep breath. Then you’ll know.

But but... Refueling has been banned since 2010

A pressure relief valve failed, that means some amount of fuel was vented into the atmosphere. Hence the reference to being able to smell it.

[wesley123]

Where did the leaked fuel go?

Bottas found it

Exactly. The more this season progresses, I am starting to have a suspicion of how deep Mercedes are willing to go to win. They seem to have no scruple in face of potential loss. In matter of fact, I'd be ready to put my money down that this alleged fuel leak is ''caused'' by secret code sent from Toto to the Mercedes' 2nd team, this year called Aston Martin. That wouldn't be a surprise at all.

[dans79]

Where did the leaked fuel go?

Go to a local refuelling station. Take a deep breath. Then you’ll know.

But but... Refueling has been banned since 2010

from the official FIA decision.
https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/files ... 538069.pdf

The alleged “New Evidence” was derived from analysis of more than 100
channels of fuel system related data. It concludes that there was a fuel system
failure in Car 5. As a result of the loss of fuel cell pressure, the air pump in the
fuel cell activated a maximum output. By pumping air through the fuel cell, a
significant amount of fuel was inadvertently discharged from the fuel cell of Car
5. As a result of that, it was only possible to obtain a 0.3 litre sample of fuel,
significantly less than the volume that was expected to have remained. Failure
of the Fuel Cell Pressure relief valve to seal is the prime suspect but any leak
path from the fuel cell would have caused the loss of fuel pressure and resulted
in the loss of fuel.

[Tizz]

It is quite remarkable how you know what other people think.

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One can turn around his statement:

Actually, I think it's that deep down some people are starting to question if Lewis is as good as they've been claiming he is.
Thus they feel the need to attack Max to justify their stance on Lewis.

This is what I see here all the time.

What I'm seeing is full on tribalism. Max fans attacking Lewis, Lewis fans defending him and vice versa. Little objective discussion about facts, although there's plenty of subjective stuff to make an argument against a driver.

The issue is that Lewis has been around at the top of the field for a long time and been subjected to attacks by those that dislike him. Max has been rising and so not so much of a target. HIs fans haven't had to defend him so much. Now both he and they are at the sharp edge of people being critical of every move. Some of them are uncomfortable in the limelight. Lewis's fans have had years of practice as he's had a target on his back for years now.

It's a passing on of the crown in some ways. The old moving toward retirement, the young picking up the batten and being the "man to beat". It's life in microcosm.

Could you please point out where I've taken position on any duel apart from having ridiculed Bottas once ?