2021 Mclaren F1 Team

[SmallSoldier]

In a round-about sort of way Daniels struggles at McLaren have actually been a good thing for team

Lando of course is getting more out of the package, but the truth is the package is simply not good enough to challenge for the top

Daniel has highlighted a huge weakness McLaren were evidently not aware of, when even compared to other midfield teams, and had made them review their approach to design

If they can solve this mid-corner issue, then I’m sure that could be the last piece, or at least a very large piece of the puzzle in place to challenge for wins. Hopefully It’s come just in time for consideration when designing the Mcl36

I don’t think that Daniel’s struggles are what made the team realized their weakness, they knew it was there from season’s past, with slow speed corners and front limited tracks hurting the team for the past several seasons… The feedback from Carlos and Lando should have pointed this out too, with Carlos admitting that it was “weird” how you needed to drive to extract the most of the car.

The weakness was a compromised by the team in order to gain aerodynamic efficiency, it was a conscious decision to go for a design that gave them a boost in other areas (straight line speed and fast corner stability) and one that I would argue has paid large dividends for the team… If we consider the disparity on resources between McLaren and the top 2 (+ Ferrari), the fact that they have been able to halve the gap to the front guys with not only the token system in place, but with less than half the budget of those ahead of them and in a challenging environment with Covid is remarkable.

Agreed. I suspect that there is an element of protection from Seidl for Daniel and an element of truth in that they are not sure why.

But by their own admission, they have stated it is not a flaw is the car is fast and as a result of whatever causes it, is very aerodynamically efficient. So one one hand the team states they are happy with Daniel and on the other they state they are happy with the car, so it is not hard to see that there is an overlap between those two that is kept behind closed doors.


In any case, I don't think Daniel will get to grips with this car, but that doesn't mean he won't have some good races.
I only hope that this aerodynamic "foible" doesn't carry to next year. And if it doesn't, I hope Lando doesn't have the same issue next year than Danny has this year!

Next year’s cars will be so different to the current generation that I would be very surprised if any strengths or weaknesses will be carried over… Not only the aerodynamic concepts are completely different on almost every aspect, even the “mechanical” components will also be different (suspension)… Whatever traits the current cars have will probably disappear next year and a new set will be in place.

An interesting aspect for me is the potential conundrum for McLaren… If (and that is just a wild guess) McLaren could solve some of the issues with the current car this season, but at the expense of overall speed, would it be worth it? What I mean is, would it be worth it to make changes that will make Daniel a couple of tenths faster at the expense of potentially making the car (and Lando) a tenth or two slower? I wouldn’t

[SmallSoldier]

I don’t think that Daniel’s struggles are what made the team realized their weakness, they knew it was there from season’s past, with slow speed corners and front limited tracks hurting the team for the past several seasons… The feedback from Carlos and Lando should have pointed this out too, with Carlos admitting that it was “weird” how you needed to drive to extract the most of the car.

The weakness was a compromised by the team in order to gain aerodynamic efficiency, it was a conscious decision to go for a design that gave them a boost in other areas (straight line speed and fast corner stability) and one that I would argue has paid large dividends for the team… If we consider the disparity on resources between McLaren and the top 2 (+ Ferrari), the fact that they have been able to halve the gap to the front guys with not only the token system in place, but with less than half the budget of those ahead of them and in a challenging environment with Covid is remarkable.

Yes I imagine they were aware of their slow corner weakness, but were they aware of the extent of the issue and was it a priority to correct?

I expect this dates back to direction they chose after issues with the draggy Mcl33

Like the Renault PU highlighted that, I suspect Daniel has highlighted they went too far in the opposite direction

They must find a balance if they want to become title contenders, or at least with the current breed of cars anyway

I agree that they need a better car overall to be title contenders, but let’s not forget that the car isn’t slow in Lando’s hands… Could it be faster if they would improve this aspect of the car? No one really knows since clearly Lando can get the speed out of it… It’s like the Red Bull car of the last couple of seasons, is it an slow car? Not at all… Is it a title contender? At least this season that’s for sure… But it seems that with the exception of Max, extracting the most out of the car is challenging for other drivers (Gasly, Albon and Perez are seemingly proof of this)… There isn’t a lot of talk on why those drivers couldn’t extract the maximum out of the car, probably because their top driver can and the gap to his team mates is attributed more to talent / skill than quirkiness of the car.

We are discussing the situation with the MCL35M because Daniel was expected to be faster than Lando and since he isn’t, we are trying to justify the gap by pointing to the car’s handling characteristics (because it isn’t really a flaw in the car)… Would we be having the same type of discussion if Daniel was faster than Lando as expected? Probably not… Just like we didn’t blame the car for the gap between Alonso and Vandoorne, was this characteristic also present in the MCL32 and MCL33? It might have been there, but since we all expected Alonso to be faster than Vandoorne, the gap was attributed more to the driver skill than car handling.

Could it be that Lando is simply faster than Daniel? I believe it is a possibility… Lando is in his third season in F1 and has continuously evolved and grown since he started with the team and clearly has make a jump forward this season.

In regards to been championship contenders, I’m afraid that the reason why McLaren isn’t there yet is not because they didn’t addressed this particular characteristic in the car and it is mainly related to the fact that the contenders were spending more than double what McLaren spent during almost the whole of the hybrid era… Which made it not only extremely difficult to cut the gap, but more importantly the gap kept growing… Unluckily, to compete with the top 3 (including Ferrari), they would have had to spend money at a similar level as those did and that wasn’t on the cards… Yes, there is a plethora of talented people at the team and they have done a magnificent job for the last couple of seasons to claw back lap time against the guys at the front, but there is so much you can do when you have less than half of the resources the others are investing to compete.

[mwillems]

I don’t think that Daniel’s struggles are what made the team realized their weakness, they knew it was there from season’s past, with slow speed corners and front limited tracks hurting the team for the past several seasons… The feedback from Carlos and Lando should have pointed this out too, with Carlos admitting that it was “weird” how you needed to drive to extract the most of the car.

The weakness was a compromised by the team in order to gain aerodynamic efficiency, it was a conscious decision to go for a design that gave them a boost in other areas (straight line speed and fast corner stability) and one that I would argue has paid large dividends for the team… If we consider the disparity on resources between McLaren and the top 2 (+ Ferrari), the fact that they have been able to halve the gap to the front guys with not only the token system in place, but with less than half the budget of those ahead of them and in a challenging environment with Covid is remarkable.

Agreed. I suspect that there is an element of protection from Seidl for Daniel and an element of truth in that they are not sure why.

But by their own admission, they have stated it is not a flaw is the car is fast and as a result of whatever causes it, is very aerodynamically efficient. So one one hand the team states they are happy with Daniel and on the other they state they are happy with the car, so it is not hard to see that there is an overlap between those two that is kept behind closed doors.


In any case, I don't think Daniel will get to grips with this car, but that doesn't mean he won't have some good races.
I only hope that this aerodynamic "foible" doesn't carry to next year. And if it doesn't, I hope Lando doesn't have the same issue next year than Danny has this year!

Next year’s cars will be so different to the current generation that I would be very surprised if any strengths or weaknesses will be carried over… Not only the aerodynamic concepts are completely different on almost every aspect, even the “mechanical” components will also be different (suspension)… Whatever traits the current cars have will probably disappear next year and a new set will be in place.

An interesting aspect for me is the potential conundrum for McLaren… If (and that is just a wild guess) McLaren could solve some of the issues with the current car this season, but at the expense of overall speed, would it be worth it? What I mean is, would it be worth it to make changes that will make Daniel a couple of tenths faster at the expense of potentially making the car (and Lando) a tenth or two slower? I wouldn’t

No, me neither. Would they win more points that way, and what is better, two drivers who can challenge for 4/5th or one driver that can challenge for the top 3? The latter is probably equal on points and better on brand, and more exciting for us fans, I'd say.

In terms of next years car, yes I think that's probably the case but I also wouldn't like to say any more than that, as I don't have any data whatsoever.

If it is the floor that momentarily losing some downforce, could you argue that with the rigid and fixed skirt and no more aero adjustable vortices that the window for keeping the underside working is narrower? Possibly yes, possibly no, there are a lot of unknowns.

I would imagine the aero of most cars is designed to offer strong floor sealing vortices in various roll/yaw/suspension configurations, will they have the power to do that next year and how aggressively will the cars be set up for perfect conditions.

So I don't want to take it for granted that the cars next year will not carry an issue like this as I can see reasons as to why the mid corner transition may struggle. Particularly as the teams only just begin to get to grips with the new regs.

[diffuser]

Still, the odds you get 99 heads in a row are extremely low to begin with.

Yes, it can happen. But most likely, you will get at least one tail in those 99 flips.

and yet, the odds are still and always will be 50/50. every single toss.
unless you're two-face and have a special coin and make your own luck.

Lol

[diffuser]

Agreed. I suspect that there is an element of protection from Seidl for Daniel and an element of truth in that they are not sure why.

But by their own admission, they have stated it is not a flaw is the car is fast and as a result of whatever causes it, is very aerodynamically efficient. So one one hand the team states they are happy with Daniel and on the other they state they are happy with the car, so it is not hard to see that there is an overlap between those two that is kept behind closed doors.


In any case, I don't think Daniel will get to grips with this car, but that doesn't mean he won't have some good races.
I only hope that this aerodynamic "foible" doesn't carry to next year. And if it doesn't, I hope Lando doesn't have the same issue next year than Danny has this year!

Next year’s cars will be so different to the current generation that I would be very surprised if any strengths or weaknesses will be carried over… Not only the aerodynamic concepts are completely different on almost every aspect, even the “mechanical” components will also be different (suspension)… Whatever traits the current cars have will probably disappear next year and a new set will be in place.

An interesting aspect for me is the potential conundrum for McLaren… If (and that is just a wild guess) McLaren could solve some of the issues with the current car this season, but at the expense of overall speed, would it be worth it? What I mean is, would it be worth it to make changes that will make Daniel a couple of tenths faster at the expense of potentially making the car (and Lando) a tenth or two slower? I wouldn’t

No, me neither. Would they win more points that way, and what is better, two drivers who can challenge for 4/5th or one driver that can challenge for the top 3? The latter is probably equal on points and better on brand, and more exciting for us fans, I'd say.

From what I've read it has to do with the front ...I'm not sure they're even allowed to touch the front wing...If they were, it would always come down too how much work it would take in the WT and then in manufacturing. If they haven't started then it would likely be over 8 weeks (6 races) from now....More than half the remaining races..

[SmallSoldier]

Agreed. I suspect that there is an element of protection from Seidl for Daniel and an element of truth in that they are not sure why.

But by their own admission, they have stated it is not a flaw is the car is fast and as a result of whatever causes it, is very aerodynamically efficient. So one one hand the team states they are happy with Daniel and on the other they state they are happy with the car, so it is not hard to see that there is an overlap between those two that is kept behind closed doors.


In any case, I don't think Daniel will get to grips with this car, but that doesn't mean he won't have some good races.
I only hope that this aerodynamic "foible" doesn't carry to next year. And if it doesn't, I hope Lando doesn't have the same issue next year than Danny has this year!

Next year’s cars will be so different to the current generation that I would be very surprised if any strengths or weaknesses will be carried over… Not only the aerodynamic concepts are completely different on almost every aspect, even the “mechanical” components will also be different (suspension)… Whatever traits the current cars have will probably disappear next year and a new set will be in place.

An interesting aspect for me is the potential conundrum for McLaren… If (and that is just a wild guess) McLaren could solve some of the issues with the current car this season, but at the expense of overall speed, would it be worth it? What I mean is, would it be worth it to make changes that will make Daniel a couple of tenths faster at the expense of potentially making the car (and Lando) a tenth or two slower? I wouldn’t

No, me neither. Would they win more points that way, and what is better, two drivers who can challenge for 4/5th or one driver that can challenge for the top 3? The latter is probably equal on points and better on brand, and more exciting for us fans, I'd say.

In terms of next years car, yes I think that's probably the case but I also wouldn't like to say any more than that, as I don't have any data whatsoever.

If it is the floor that momentarily losing some downforce, could you argue that with the rigid and fixed skirt and no more aero adjustable vortices that the window for keeping the underside working is narrower? Possibly yes, possibly no, there are a lot of unknowns.

I would imagine the aero of most cars is designed to offer strong floor sealing vortices in various roll/yaw/suspension configurations, will they have the power to do that next year and how aggressively will the cars be set up for perfect conditions.

So I don't want to take it for granted that the cars next year will not carry an issue like this as I can see reasons as to why the mid corner transition may struggle. Particularly as the teams only just begin to get to grips with the new regs.

I’m with you… It’s impossible to know what issues will the next generation will have to tackle, but the issues won’t be related to current issues, simply because of it been a completely different treatment to the aero concept… The MCL35M carries the issues from the MCL34 and MCL35 because conceptually they follow the same philosophy, the new cars won’t carry any of the current philosophy in terms of aero (rake, Y250 is gone, front wing, bargeboards, diffuser and how all of those interact are gone)… Therefore if the MCL36 continues to struggle from the same issues, it won’t be because it carried over from the MCL35M, it will be coincidental… Could the issues be there? Sure, but it would be very surprising to have the exact same issue with such a different car.

[mwillems]

Next year’s cars will be so different to the current generation that I would be very surprised if any strengths or weaknesses will be carried over… Not only the aerodynamic concepts are completely different on almost every aspect, even the “mechanical” components will also be different (suspension)… Whatever traits the current cars have will probably disappear next year and a new set will be in place.

An interesting aspect for me is the potential conundrum for McLaren… If (and that is just a wild guess) McLaren could solve some of the issues with the current car this season, but at the expense of overall speed, would it be worth it? What I mean is, would it be worth it to make changes that will make Daniel a couple of tenths faster at the expense of potentially making the car (and Lando) a tenth or two slower? I wouldn’t

No, me neither. Would they win more points that way, and what is better, two drivers who can challenge for 4/5th or one driver that can challenge for the top 3? The latter is probably equal on points and better on brand, and more exciting for us fans, I'd say.

From what I've read it has to do with the front ...I'm not sure they're even allowed to touch the front wing...If they were, it would always come down too how much work it would take in the WT and then in manufacturing. If they haven't started then it would likely be over 8 weeks (6 races) from now....More than half the remaining races..

Yeah I've read that. It was to do with the front wing stalling. The update they brought this year to the FW was to address that and try to make it a bit more forgiving. So you have potentially loss of front downforce and the lack of a sealed floor as no loading on the wing means no Y250. By the time you are mid corner the front becomes less important as you begin loading the rear so I think it is also that the car cannot get traction out of the corner if you carry the speed and the car's body rolls more aggressively in the corners.

That front wing is everything to the current car, lose it and you lose grip everywhere. Looking forward to the new regs.

[mwillems]

Next year’s cars will be so different to the current generation that I would be very surprised if any strengths or weaknesses will be carried over… Not only the aerodynamic concepts are completely different on almost every aspect, even the “mechanical” components will also be different (suspension)… Whatever traits the current cars have will probably disappear next year and a new set will be in place.

An interesting aspect for me is the potential conundrum for McLaren… If (and that is just a wild guess) McLaren could solve some of the issues with the current car this season, but at the expense of overall speed, would it be worth it? What I mean is, would it be worth it to make changes that will make Daniel a couple of tenths faster at the expense of potentially making the car (and Lando) a tenth or two slower? I wouldn’t

No, me neither. Would they win more points that way, and what is better, two drivers who can challenge for 4/5th or one driver that can challenge for the top 3? The latter is probably equal on points and better on brand, and more exciting for us fans, I'd say.

In terms of next years car, yes I think that's probably the case but I also wouldn't like to say any more than that, as I don't have any data whatsoever.

If it is the floor that momentarily losing some downforce, could you argue that with the rigid and fixed skirt and no more aero adjustable vortices that the window for keeping the underside working is narrower? Possibly yes, possibly no, there are a lot of unknowns.

I would imagine the aero of most cars is designed to offer strong floor sealing vortices in various roll/yaw/suspension configurations, will they have the power to do that next year and how aggressively will the cars be set up for perfect conditions.

So I don't want to take it for granted that the cars next year will not carry an issue like this as I can see reasons as to why the mid corner transition may struggle. Particularly as the teams only just begin to get to grips with the new regs.

I’m with you… It’s impossible to know what issues will the next generation will have to tackle, but the issues won’t be related to current issues, simply because of it been a completely different treatment to the aero concept… The MCL35M carries the issues from the MCL34 and MCL35 because conceptually they follow the same philosophy, the new cars won’t carry any of the current philosophy in terms of aero (rake, Y250 is gone, front wing, bargeboards, diffuser and how all of those interact are gone)… Therefore if the MCL36 continues to struggle from the same issues, it won’t be because it carried over from the MCL35M, it will be coincidental… Could the issues be there? Sure, but it would be very surprising to have the exact same issue with such a different car.

I think you're saying the causes might not be the same, in which case almost certainly they would not, absolutely right.

But the idea that the issues still won't be there, I'm not ready to get on board with as the kind of operating windows the new cars will require, the kind of rakes we can get away with etc is completely unknown, and as much as a person could argue they would be fast in all conditions, you can find arguments to suggest they will me nervous cars to start.

My gut feeling is the latter, I think will have some very nervous moments and have some very pronounced issues until they understand how those cars behave in the real world. With the transition being probably one of the easiest places to suggest there could be issues.

These are only alcohol free, zero sugar skirt light and won't be anything like what we have seen before.

[diffuser]

No, me neither. Would they win more points that way, and what is better, two drivers who can challenge for 4/5th or one driver that can challenge for the top 3? The latter is probably equal on points and better on brand, and more exciting for us fans, I'd say.

From what I've read it has to do with the front ...I'm not sure they're even allowed to touch the front wing...If they were, it would always come down too how much work it would take in the WT and then in manufacturing. If they haven't started then it would likely be over 8 weeks (6 races) from now....More than half the remaining races..

Yeah I've read that. It was to do with the front wing stalling. The update they brought this year to the FW was to address that and try to make it a bit more forgiving. So you have potentially loss of front downforce and the lack of a sealed floor as no loading on the wing means no Y250. By the time you are mid corner the front becomes less important as you begin loading the rear so I think it is also that the car cannot get traction out of the corner if you carry the speed and the car's body rolls more aggressively in the corners.

That front wing is everything to the current car, lose it and you lose grip everywhere. Looking forward to the new regs.

Yeah , I think they said Norris's later and harder braking bring the nose closer to the ground(more DF/ less stalling) and weight more forward. The reward better front end.


Sure the new regs will have their kryptonite but atleast we'll have that to discover....

[mwillems]

Yeah , I think they said Norris's later and harder braking bring the nose closer to the ground(more DF/ less stalling) and weight more forward. The reward better front end.


Sure the new regs will have their kryptonite but atleast we'll have that to discover....

Interesting, I thought the times the FW would stall were when the car was pitching and rolling such that the aero stopped being functional, and also when the base of the front wing was too close the floor. Can you link that article?

I thought if it was just that they need to get the stall out of the way before the corner or it doesn't stall unless in the corner and the car isn't being nursed through.

[djos]

I agree that they need a better car overall to be title contenders, but let’s not forget that the car isn’t slow in Lando’s hands… Could it be faster if they would improve this aspect of the car? No one really knows since clearly Lando can get the speed out of it… It’s like the Red Bull car of the last couple of seasons, is it an slow car? Not at all… Is it a title contender? At least this season that’s for sure… But it seems that with the exception of Max, extracting the most out of the car is challenging for other drivers (Gasly, Albon and Perez are seemingly proof of this)… There isn’t a lot of talk on why those drivers couldn’t extract the maximum out of the car, probably because their top driver can and the gap to his team mates is attributed more to talent / skill than quirkiness of the car.

The thing I find interesting is that Daniel was able to match or beat Max in Qually and outscore Max in the RedBull fairly consistently, even in their final year together when Daniel had horrific reliability issues in the 2nd half. So in my mind, that proves he can drive a knife-edge car fast. The RBR car of the following year was an evolution and Gasly couldn't get to grips with it. You can bet that if Daniel stayed at Redbull he would have had no issues.



Like McLaren have admitted, their car is at the opposite end of the spectrum, from a handling PoV, from the Merc and RBR cars.

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Yeah , I think they said Norris's later and harder braking bring the nose closer to the ground(more DF/ less stalling) and weight more forward. The reward better front end.


Sure the new regs will have their kryptonite but atleast we'll have that to discover....

Interesting, I thought the times the FW would stall were when the car was pitching and rolling such that the aero stopped being functional, and also when the base of the front wing was too close the floor. Can you link that article?

I thought if it was just that they need to get the stall out of the way before the corner or it doesn't stall unless in the corner and the car isn't being nursed through.

Posted by Djos a few days back....

[mwillems]

Yeah , I think they said Norris's later and harder braking bring the nose closer to the ground(more DF/ less stalling) and weight more forward. The reward better front end.


Sure the new regs will have their kryptonite but atleast we'll have that to discover....

Interesting, I thought the times the FW would stall were when the car was pitching and rolling such that the aero stopped being functional, and also when the base of the front wing was too close the floor. Can you link that article?

I thought if it was just that they need to get the stall out of the way before the corner or it doesn't stall unless in the corner and the car isn't being nursed through.

Posted by Djos a few days back....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KNh7uMx6_c

Nice. So the issue is a lack of traction on corner exit, and the cause is the the car needs to be loaded forward into the corner in order for the aero to work, with the operating window quite narrow for the low and med speed corners.

Danny doesn't want to trail brake or even just scrub speed at entry but roll the car through, which simply won't work.

They are not sure if this trait will carry over to next year.

But hold on.... confused.com

Aren't the cars designed to be counterintuitive in that they hunker down under acceleration and lift up under breaking. Can they do this under current regs? Whats the deal with having to extreme load the front tyres to get the car round?

I guess they could still be losing aero function in the corners but loading the tyres finds the mechanical grip??

Or as you say the nose needs to scrape the floor to find max front grip.

IIRC the Red Bull is designed around the principal of getting the nose as close the ground as possible without stalling. So is the difference just that the RB has a wider operating window, and that narrow window is the extreme that is referenced?

[diffuser]

Interesting, I thought the times the FW would stall were when the car was pitching and rolling such that the aero stopped being functional, and also when the base of the front wing was too close the floor. Can you link that article?

I thought if it was just that they need to get the stall out of the way before the corner or it doesn't stall unless in the corner and the car isn't being nursed through.

Posted by Djos a few days back....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KNh7uMx6_c

Nice. So the issue is a lack of traction on corner exit, and the cause is the the car needs to be loaded forward into the corner in order for the aero to work, with the operating window quite narrow for the low and med speed corners.

Danny doesn't want to trail brake or even just scrub speed at entry but roll the car through, which simply won't work.

They are not sure if this trait will carry over to next year.

But hold on.... confused.com

Aren't the cars designed to be counterintuitive in that they hunker down under acceleration and lift up under breaking. Can they do this under current regs? Whats the deal with having to extreme load the front tyres to get the car round?

I guess they could still be losing aero function in the corners but loading the tyres finds the mechanical grip??

Or as you say the nose needs to scrape the floor to find max front grip.

IIRC the Red Bull is designed around the principal of getting the nose as close the ground as possible without stalling. So is the difference just that the RB has a wider operating window, and that narrow window is the extreme that is referenced?

High rake cars are all designed that way, not just RBR. It just something the car inherits with the high backend. If you ask any of the #2 drivers at RBR, they'll not tell you that the RBR is easy to drive. RBR also suffers from understeer.

The way I understand it is they're lacking front DF. Braking late, braking harder and turning right as you're coming off the brakes give one a little more DF and the ability to turn the car further and faster.

[mwillems]

Posted by Djos a few days back....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KNh7uMx6_c

Nice. So the issue is a lack of traction on corner exit, and the cause is the the car needs to be loaded forward into the corner in order for the aero to work, with the operating window quite narrow for the low and med speed corners.

Danny doesn't want to trail brake or even just scrub speed at entry but roll the car through, which simply won't work.

They are not sure if this trait will carry over to next year.

But hold on.... confused.com

Aren't the cars designed to be counterintuitive in that they hunker down under acceleration and lift up under breaking. Can they do this under current regs? Whats the deal with having to extreme load the front tyres to get the car round?

I guess they could still be losing aero function in the corners but loading the tyres finds the mechanical grip??

Or as you say the nose needs to scrape the floor to find max front grip.

IIRC the Red Bull is designed around the principal of getting the nose as close the ground as possible without stalling. So is the difference just that the RB has a wider operating window, and that narrow window is the extreme that is referenced?

High rake cars are all designed that way, not just RBR. It just something the car inherits with the high backend. If you ask any of the #2 drivers at RBR, they'll not tell you that the RBR is easy to drive. RBR also suffers from understeer.

The way I understand it is they're lacking front DF. Braking late, braking harder and turning right as you're coming off the brakes give one a little more DF and the ability to turn the car further and faster.

They are designed to get the nose as close to the ground as they can, but the RB can get its nose to practically scratch the ground and is how it gets it's famed pointy front end.

I posted before though, how Verstappen is driving the current RB the same way that Lando drives the Mclaren, breaking hard and early into the corner, in fact he scrubs more speed on entry than Lando and carries more speed out and through.

I wonder if this is a trait that has been compounded by this years rear end and lack of slots on the floor, in which they have to load the front wing the maximum amount on corner entry now in order to generate aero on and then behind the front wing that gets the car through the corner the quickest.

That would explain why at the start of the season, the low rake cars suffered the most, they couldn't exploit this trait in the corners and couldn't load the front wing enough (And subsequently couldn't seal the floor strong enough, generate enough air flow over the car to suck the air from the diffuser etc).