2021 Mclaren F1 Team

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Seerix wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 12:40
Crofty mentioned on Sky broadcast, that Lando is still using one of older engines (not the SPA one). Not sure if he is correct though.
Yeah, all Mercedes powered teams using their lowest mileage engines, apart from Lando, his SPA engine is still undergoing repairs, but as earlier stated McLaren are confident it will be fine.
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Having had badluck in the last two races fingers crossed for a good weekend for Mclaren this time.

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mwillems wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 08:45
SmallSoldier wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 22:07
CjC wrote:
It also bodes well when you consider Lando and Dan said they went the wrong way with set up in the afternoon and didn’t feel totally comfortable with the car in FP2

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... iu4tZ.html
Yes and even with when Lawrence (formula1.com Friday analysis) has Mclaren trailing both Ferrari and Alpine in both Qualifying and Race Pace, what caught my attention is the apparent deficit of McLaren on the straights, which also calls for lower modes on the engine since by now we all know McLaren is very strong on them:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202109 ... 17b996.jpg

The fact that McLaren is the one with the biggest deficit to Ferrari on the straights makes for an interesting argument towards either heavier runs (more fuel), lower engine modes or a combination of both… Which would definitely have an impact during the rest of the lap and in the rest of the corners.


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Yes but then some straights also require good exit from corners that Mclaren will struggle in, so it's not all down to engine detuning unfortunately although there is clearly time to be made.

Also, after the first quarter of the season, when Ferrari have been fast they have stayed fast, and performed better in the race than in the start of the season.

I'm not sure we will be ahead of Ferrari but I do think we will be closer. But it is all to play for. But the data from Friday is not representative in that not only is it hard to tell where you can be faster, but it is also hard to tell where you are slower. We tend to only look for the former, eternal optimists that we are!

The "Mirror of Erised" comes to mind :D

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Not going well as of now.
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Wow that was close for Lando!

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F1 is bad for your health. Heck, smoking is probably healthier ..... 😶
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Jesuus, even worse than I initially expected.
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That was way too close for comfort… But this qualifying is more about the driver’s feeling confident with the car and track than the cars themselves… 7 tenths separating the top 17? That doesn’t usually happen… Having GIO so up the order today shows exactly that and I’m afraid that the McLaren guys aren’t feeling it today

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Interesting quali. Not sure where we are losing the time. Seems everywhere. Like it’s difficult to get confidence in pushing the car near the limit

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Let's wait and see what's gonna happen. Q2 might be different.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 15:22
That was way too close for comfort… But this qualifying is more about the driver’s feeling confident with the car and track than the cars themselves… 7 tenths separating the top 17? That doesn’t usually happen… Having GIO so up the order today shows exactly that and I’m afraid that the McLaren guys aren’t feeling it today
Tows were also a huge part of that initial session, Lando didn't get much of one but those in front did.

It should be a little less Random with each session, but we are struggling at this point, hopefully as the laps pile in, they will get their confidence and shine.

Hopefully....
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Who’d have thought that there would be a Williams and Alfa Romeo ahead of us!

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SmallSoldier wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 15:12
mwillems wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 08:45
SmallSoldier wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 22:07

Yes and even with when Lawrence (formula1.com Friday analysis) has Mclaren trailing both Ferrari and Alpine in both Qualifying and Race Pace, what caught my attention is the apparent deficit of McLaren on the straights, which also calls for lower modes on the engine since by now we all know McLaren is very strong on them:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202109 ... 17b996.jpg

The fact that McLaren is the one with the biggest deficit to Ferrari on the straights makes for an interesting argument towards either heavier runs (more fuel), lower engine modes or a combination of both… Which would definitely have an impact during the rest of the lap and in the rest of the corners.


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Yes but then some straights also require good exit from corners that Mclaren will struggle in, so it's not all down to engine detuning unfortunately although there is clearly time to be made.

Also, after the first quarter of the season, when Ferrari have been fast they have stayed fast, and performed better in the race than in the start of the season.

I'm not sure we will be ahead of Ferrari but I do think we will be closer. But it is all to play for. But the data from Friday is not representative in that not only is it hard to tell where you can be faster, but it is also hard to tell where you are slower. We tend to only look for the former, eternal optimists that we are!

The "Mirror of Erised" comes to mind :D

I work in data, and one of the great things about it is that you can find whatever you want to find, which is why I brand my remarks as "Gut insticts"!
You just made me remember what my CFO used to tell me… A good accountant doesn’t tell you the numbers, he will ask you how you want the numbers to look like :)
I work a lot with Finance teams and he wasn't joking!

Back on topic though, my gut instinct suggests that we might just make it to Q3 and can hope for 8th or 9th....

Ferrari look marvellous here. Only one poor session in P3.
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Yeah, saying this is bad is an understatement. They are slow as --- here.
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mwillems wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 15:25
SmallSoldier wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 15:22
That was way too close for comfort… But this qualifying is more about the driver’s feeling confident with the car and track than the cars themselves… 7 tenths separating the top 17? That doesn’t usually happen… Having GIO so up the order today shows exactly that and I’m afraid that the McLaren guys aren’t feeling it today
Tows were also a huge part of that initial session, Lando didn't get much of one but those in front did.

It should be a little less Random with each session, but we are struggling at this point, hopefully as the laps pile in, they will get their confidence and shine.

Hopefully....
This one seems will be an struggle… Good first lap for Daniel though… But Lando has had several runs off track so far this weekend and that may be messing a bit with his confidence