Obviously not and it was a shame. Anyway i hope Mclaren sort out these abnormal car tendencies next season.CjC wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:35Was that an option for him though?
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Obviously not and it was a shame. Anyway i hope Mclaren sort out these abnormal car tendencies next season.CjC wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:35Was that an option for him though?
11.5 points...
They strapped too much downforce on because they made a setup mistake I think, not so much because of the deficiencies. Once they made that mistake they were tied in to an awful weekend.Emag wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:37There isn't much to analyze to be honest. Now that we came to the track and saw it in person, it just screams McLaren weakness all over.
There are fast corners here, but they are almost flat for everyone, there's nothing to gain. McLaren can gain something on fast corners which require some sort of braking so they can exploit that rear-end stability (corners like Puohon, or Austria T7 and onwards etc).
Here, the fast corners are either flat, or need just a lift. Then there's the slow corners, which are horrible for McLaren. And the very long medium speed corners, which are even more horrible for McLaren. They were so down low in speed traps as well because they strapped so much downforce on that thing to compensate somewhat and still were so slow. It's an inherent weakness that it too strong to go around with setup.
They just have to deal with it in these sort of tracks, and make the best out of tracks which are advantageous. Obviously to have a chance to do that, we have to race in those type of tracks to begin with, but tough luck I guess.
Maybe Brazil….but nowhere else…Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:42We have Monza, Russia, Turkey, USA.Mexico,Brazil, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi. What do you think? Where do we have the upper hand apart from Monza?
I doubt Mclaren will ever have the upper hand.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:42We have Monza, Russia, Turkey, USA.Mexico,Brazil, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi. What do you think? Where do we have the upper hand apart from Monza?
Is it really a bad thing losing 3rd to Ferrari we get more r&d/wind tunnel time by doing so this season isnt about finishing third which don’t get me wrong would be good but everyone’s seems to loose focus of the matter this season is the last of these technical regulations right now we should not be focusing on beating Ferrari out focus should now be on next years car, if they want to continue throwing valuable resources at an obsolete car that won’t be used again just to finish p3 let them do so at the end of the day it’ll hurt them more next year an only benefit us. So to be perfectly honest it doesn’t really matter if they take p3 it doesn’t matter next year does .
They may have just not gotten the setup right, as simple as that… In a track slower than this one (Monaco) they actually surprised everyone with good performance.Emag wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:37There isn't much to analyze to be honest. Now that we came to the track and saw it in person, it just screams McLaren weakness all over.
There are fast corners here, but they are almost flat for everyone, there's nothing to gain. McLaren can gain something on fast corners which require some sort of braking so they can exploit that rear-end stability (corners like Puohon, or Austria T7 and onwards etc).
Here, the fast corners are either flat, or need just a lift. Then there's the slow corners, which are horrible for McLaren. And the very long medium speed corners, which are even more horrible for McLaren. They were so down low in speed traps as well because they strapped so much downforce on that thing to compensate somewhat and still were so slow. It's an inherent weakness that it too strong to go around with setup.
They just have to deal with it in these sort of tracks, and make the best out of tracks which are advantageous. Obviously to have a chance to do that, we have to race in those type of tracks to begin with, but tough luck I guess.
The car was set up for a race focussed strategy and the race focussed setup was not even good for the race, so we blew both sessions out of the water for our drivers.runningmanz wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:45No qualli pace killed us here. Dan no luck starting 10th on softs at this difficult passing track while others behind were on mediums. Roll on next race.
SnapSmallSoldier wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:50They may have just not gotten the setup right, as simple as that… In a track slower than this one (Monaco) they actually surprised everyone with good performance.Emag wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 16:37There isn't much to analyze to be honest. Now that we came to the track and saw it in person, it just screams McLaren weakness all over.
There are fast corners here, but they are almost flat for everyone, there's nothing to gain. McLaren can gain something on fast corners which require some sort of braking so they can exploit that rear-end stability (corners like Puohon, or Austria T7 and onwards etc).
Here, the fast corners are either flat, or need just a lift. Then there's the slow corners, which are horrible for McLaren. And the very long medium speed corners, which are even more horrible for McLaren. They were so down low in speed traps as well because they strapped so much downforce on that thing to compensate somewhat and still were so slow. It's an inherent weakness that it too strong to go around with setup.
They just have to deal with it in these sort of tracks, and make the best out of tracks which are advantageous. Obviously to have a chance to do that, we have to race in those type of tracks to begin with, but tough luck I guess.
A bad weekend, I’m sure the team will learn a few things from it and hopefully come back strong in the following races… The MCL35M is still a car that is fighting for P3 in the WCC and that’s quiet an achievement… A mix of track characteristics, the fact that this is a very hard track to overtake and both drivers seemingly not in the rhythm made the team have their worst race of the season so far (in terms of pace at least, because Hungary’s result can’t be blamed on the car)… Nothing is lost yet.
